Fickell GONE!

[xudash]

All this talk about the new P2. Note that the Big 12 had multiple teams in the top 25 this season. Losing TX and OK will not be as devastating as so many claim. (And it's not going to help SEC in the long run.) The Big 10 and SEC are clearly trying to make this the reality but other conferences may have some surprises.

With Fickell it's not just about conference. Yeah, any coach would like the opportunities available in the Big 10. But he was also running up against that delicate line of what every successful coach runs up against. And that's lack of success compared to expectations. When exactly have you been in one job too long?

He had one terrible first year, and then it took two or three seasons to really start seeing how they could elevate things in the national spotlight. But this year was a rebuild and next year might be even more of one. You risk the chance that recruits no longer view you as the rising power, and just maybe things don't lock in again for a while. Then it's not just your job, but your whole career is in the hot seat.

At Wisconsin he has a cushion of time with people forgiving that it might take a season or two. He'll be viewed as a rising hotshot bringing in word of mouth in recruiting circles. The trajectory of where he's headed is less risky.

And he might have continued to be strong with UC in the Big 12. They have an infrastructure to do well with almost any coach. But if he held on at UC and for whatever reason that didn't happen, this was the right time for him to move. His stock wasn't going to get any higher with the current trajectory.

Purely a preservation move, no matter what UC's circumstance is.

What we're seeing now performance wise versus what we'll see in a few years could - most likely will - change. The Big 12 having multiple teams in the polls this season has nothing to do with how many it may have in the polls 5 or 10 years from now - I assume we're taking a more long-term strategic view of all of this. Losing Texas and Oklahoma will be at least about $20 million per year per school devastating to Big 12 members. And stating that picking up Texas and OU is not going to help the SEC in the long run is your opinion. Texas is a formidable athletic program. College football is facing such substantial change - at least economic change - in the near future that there will be some shifting in status taking place between the programs.

Here we are in 2022 with the so-called "P5" in full force and valid order. We sit here as of today with TCU making it into the playoff. How well will TCU be doing in football after the Big 12 resets? How well can it do in football with around $20 million less in its athletic budget and with a base of less than 15,000 students (i.e. "student fee subsidy opportunities")?

On the other hand, IMHO, XUGRAD80's following insight is spot on:

If there continues to be scholarship limits, and accounting for the idea that players want to play and not just sit on the bench, the talent should be somewhat spread out among the top 50-60 schools (including most BiG 12 schools) and there should be potential for schools outside the B10 and SEC to fill some of the at-large bids in the 12 team tourney.

I agree with your analysis as to why Fickell left now. In essence, it was a preservation move based upon making a delicate timing play.

However, that at least somewhat recognizes the key factor that his upside at UC was limited. Ohio State doesn't rebuild. It reloads. If the perception of being a rising power is fragile, then the underlying program that generates the perception is itself lacking somewhere. Example: Nippert is a beautiful setting for a college football stadium and it has history, but it also simply is not a major league collegiate stadium. Another example is UC presently chasing funding for a $100 million practice facility.

Perhaps the other conferences will have some surprises as you suggest. But then again, with about $90 million per school per year, both the SEC and B1G may pop a few surprises out of the cake as well.

I arrive back at 80's point: supply and demand of talent. On a relative basis, the best of the best are mostly going to migrate to the top schools in the top two conferences, and those truly major college programs will be very deep on their bench strength. Nonetheless, assuming there is enough around, the remaining conferences will still be able to field competitive football teams. There will still be hope for snagging a playoff spot for some of those teams, while the others will otherwise play their games for their traditions, weekend experiences, etc.

[chico]

In this age of the NIL, schools with money like Texas and Oklahoma will most definitely have an advantage, so saying they're going to fail may not be accurate.

As for Fickel, I wonder if this isn't an audition for the OSU job.

[D-West & PO-Z]

In this age of the NIL, schools with money like Texas and Oklahoma will most definitely have an advantage, so saying they're going to fail may not be accurate.

As for Fickel, I wonder if this isn't an audition for the OSU job.

I get the sense OSU seems pretty uninterested in Fickell. Maybe that changes if he does great things at Wisconsin though. I also think its possible that going to Wisconsin is maybe him conceding his lack of chances at OSU but his desire to be in the Big Ten.

[xubrew]

What we're seeing now performance wise versus what we'll see in a few years could - most likely will - change. The Big 12 having multiple teams in the polls this season has nothing to do with how many it may have in the polls 5 or 10 years from now - I assume we're taking a more long-term strategic view of all of this. Losing Texas and Oklahoma will be at least about $20 million per year per school devastating to Big 12 members. And stating that picking up Texas and OU is not going to help the SEC in the long run is your opinion. Texas is a formidable athletic program. College football is facing such substantial change - at least economic change - in the near future that there will be some shifting in status taking place between the programs.

Here we are in 2022 with the so-called "P5" in full force and valid order. We sit here as of today with TCU making it into the playoff. How well will TCU be doing in football after the Big 12 resets? How well can it do in football with around $20 million less in its athletic budget and with a base of less than 15,000 students (i.e. "student fee subsidy opportunities")?

On the other hand, IMHO, XUGRAD80's following insight is spot on:

If there continues to be scholarship limits, and accounting for the idea that players want to play and not just sit on the bench, the talent should be somewhat spread out among the top 50-60 schools (including most BiG 12 schools) and there should be potential for schools outside the B10 and SEC to fill some of the at-large bids in the 12 team tourney.

I agree with your analysis as to why Fickell left now. In essence, it was a preservation move based upon making a delicate timing play.

However, that at least somewhat recognizes the key factor that his upside at UC was limited. Ohio State doesn't rebuild. It reloads. If the perception of being a rising power is fragile, then the underlying program that generates the perception is itself lacking somewhere. Example: Nippert is a beautiful setting for a college football stadium and it has history, but it also simply is not a major league collegiate stadium. Another example is UC presently chasing funding for a $100 million practice facility.

Perhaps the other conferences will have some surprises as you suggest. But then again, with about $90 million per school per year, both the SEC and B1G may pop a few surprises out of the cake as well.

I arrive back at 80's point: supply and demand of talent. On a relative basis, the best of the best are mostly going to migrate to the top schools in the top two conferences, and those truly major college programs will be very deep on their bench strength. Nonetheless, assuming there is enough around, the remaining conferences will still be able to field competitive football teams. There will still be hope for snagging a playoff spot for some of those teams, while the others will otherwise play their games for their traditions, weekend experiences, etc.

The Big Ten, Big 12, and SEC have all inked new media deals in the past several months after all of the realignment announcements took place.

Big Ten is $8 billion for ten years ($800 million per year, $50 million per school per year. That's with UCLA and USC assuming UCLA is still able to come, which is turning into its own entertaining shit show.)

SEC is $7.1 billion for ten years with ESPN/ABC exclusively ($710 million per year, $44.3 million per school per year. That's with Texas and Oklahoma).

Big 12 is $2.28 billion for six years ($380 million a year, $31.67 million per school per year once it goes out to 12. There is also language in the contract for that value to increase if the league goes out to either 14 or 16 teams).

I honestly cannot believe the Big 12 got that kind of a deal AFTER Texas and Oklahoma left. They're not getting as much as the SEC or B1G, but they're still getting more than what they were getting before, and if they end up poaching the Arizona schools along with Colorado and Utah from the Pac 12, which MAY very well be their plan, that dollar amount will go up even more.

Do I think the Big 12 will routinely be as good as the SEC or Big Ten in football?? No, I don't.

Do I think the Big 12 will be so far behind the SEC and Big 12 that it will not have a solid footing in the CFP and not be able to produce potential national champions?? No to that as well. I think they are actually working to position themselves pretty well.

[xudash]

The Big Ten, Big 12, and SEC have all inked new media deals in the past several months after all of the realignment announcements took place.

Big Ten is $8 billion for ten years ($800 million per year, $50 million per school per year. That's with UCLA and USC assuming UCLA is still able to come, which is turning into its own entertaining shit show.)

SEC is $7.1 billion for ten years with ESPN/ABC exclusively ($710 million per year, $44.3 million per school per year. That's with Texas and Oklahoma).

Big 12 is $2.28 billion for six years ($380 million a year, $31.67 million per school per year once it goes out to 12. There is also language in the contract for that value to increase if the league goes out to either 14 or 16 teams).

I honestly cannot believe the Big 12 got that kind of a deal AFTER Texas and Oklahoma left. They're not getting as much as the SEC or B1G, but they're still getting more than what they were getting before, and if they end up poaching the Arizona schools along with Colorado and Utah from the Pac 12, which MAY very well be their plan, that dollar amount will go up even more.

Do I think the Big 12 will routinely be as good as the SEC or Big Ten in football?? No, I don't.

Do I think the Big 12 will be so far behind the SEC and Big 12 that it will not have a solid footing in the CFP and not be able to produce potential national champions?? No to that as well. I think they are actually working to position themselves pretty well.

What are your info sources?

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...c?platform=amp

[xubrew]

What are your info sources?

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...c?platform=amp

My sources are the same ones I've always had Dash. It's not the kind of thing I can simply post a link for, but ESPN is my source. Not the first time we've done this...

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthrea...un-To-Its-Head

[xubrew]

I guess I can link it. At least some of it...

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-deal-espn-fox

[paulxu]

These big deals are only possible because we all are paying LOTS of dollars for cable TV.
Not counting ESPN+, ESPN and ESPN2 at $10.00/month cable access would, with 75 million subscriptions, equal $9 billion.
That doesn't even count ad revenue.
ESPN+ is up to $9.99/month I think, and that's more money.

Brew can correct this basic stuff if I'm off base.

[GoMuskies]

My sources are the same ones I've always had Dash. It's not the kind of thing I can simply post a link for, but ESPN is my source. Not the first time we've done this...

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthrea...un-To-Its-Head

That deal was the death of all American teams. 3+ years later UC has been to the College Football Playoff and Houston is #1 in the country in basketball.

These contracts may put schools at disadvantages, but it's pretty clear they're not a death knell.

[xubrew]

That deal was the death of all American teams. 3+ years later UC has been to the College Football Playoff and Houston is #1 in the country in basketball.

These contracts may put schools at disadvantages, but it's pretty clear they're not a death knell.

Given the contract the Big 12 just got, it’s also pretty clear that ESPN values American/Soon-to-be-Big12 schools. That includes the school who’s death knell many on here have been predicting for the past…oh…fifteen years or so??