Covid-19

[AviatorX]

Debbie downer! You say it "continues to be false" with but provide no basis! I provided a very good basis in post #1380 for why herd immunity can end this pandemic, at least until we have a vaccine. I'll concede we don't know, but smart money is that this is similar to other coronavirus outbreaks. No?

What other coronavirus outbreaks is thisreminding you of? I don’t think the smart money is anywhere with respect to Covid-19 - how could it be?

[Muskie in dayton]

What other coronavirus outbreaks is thisreminding you of? I don’t think the smart money is anywhere with respect to Covid-19 - how could it be?

SARS and MERS. Both resulted in human immunity for several years.

[AviatorX]

SARS and MERS. Both resulted in human immunity for several years.

I am certainly far from an expert, but I don't believe anything close to herd immunity was achieved for SARS (roughly 8,000 confirmed cases globally) or MERS (roughly 3,000 confirmed cases globally), so not really sure how that's instructive here.

I hope I am way off base, but I don't think anyone thinks the decline of those viruses had anything to do with herd immunity.

My understanding is the medical community was pretty close on a SARS vaccine, but it was never mass produced because there was no need. Hopefully that is encouraging.

[Lloyd Braun]

We don’t see much sunshine in Cleveland from October to May and I am definitely all for injecting sunshine directly into my veins. He can keep the bleach inhaler however.

[Muskie in dayton]

I am certainly far from an expert, but I don't believe anything close to herd immunity was achieved for SARS (roughly 8,000 confirmed cases globally) or MERS (roughly 3,000 confirmed cases globally), so not really sure how that's instructive here.

I hope I am way off base, but I don't think anyone thinks the decline of those viruses had anything to do with herd immunity.

IÂ’m so confused. I didnÂ’t say that. I thought I was crazy for a minute and went back and read my posts. Sure enough, I didnÂ’t say that.

What I said in the post you quoted and in post 1380 is that SARS and MERS have resulted in a human immune response that has lasted for several years. They are Coronaviruses like COVID-19. Therefore the default assumption is that COVID-19 will have a similar result. Yes, we wonÂ’t know for sure for years, but there is a much stronger reason to believe it will last years than weeks. ThatÂ’s great if it happens - why do you people insist on arguing for the worst case? I donÂ’t get it.

[MADXSTER]

What do you mean by 'You People'

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[AviatorX]

IÂ’m so confused. I didnÂ’t say that. I thought I was crazy for a minute and went back and read my posts. Sure enough, I didnÂ’t say that.

What I said in the post you quoted and in post 1380 is that SARS and MERS have resulted in a human immune response that has lasted for several years. They are Coronaviruses like COVID-19. Therefore the default assumption is that COVID-19 will have a similar result. Yes, we wonÂ’t know for sure for years, but there is a much stronger reason to believe it will last years than weeks. ThatÂ’s great if it happens - why do you people insist on arguing for the worst case? I donÂ’t get it.

There’s a pretty obvious implication we were discussing the potential for herd immunity based on your comment in post #1410. I’m not arguing for or against anything, just was a bit caught off guard when I read your post that the smart money was on this being similar to other coronavirus outbreaks because it seems pretty obvious we’re in uncharted territory at this point.

I certainly hope you are right, but it feels like a stretch to say the default assumption is this will have a similar result to SARS or MERS considering the global impact is already magnitudes worse.

The smart money isn’t anywhere in this situation. How could it be? That’s why it’s so daunting.

[paulxu]

Just for the heck of it, here's another comparison with Sweden.

Ohio 14,694 cases 656 deaths (4.5% death rate of identified cases)

Sweden 16,755 cases 2,021 deaths (12.1% death rate of identified cases0

Perhaps some of the measures Ohio has employed have, at least, held the death rate down.
Here and in Europe, nursing homes are the places not to be.

[JTG]

What do you mean by 'You People'

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Liberal intellectuals ?

[D-West & PO-Z]

IÂ’m so confused. I didnÂ’t say that. I thought I was crazy for a minute and went back and read my posts. Sure enough, I didnÂ’t say that.

What I said in the post you quoted and in post 1380 is that SARS and MERS have resulted in a human immune response that has lasted for several years. They are Coronaviruses like COVID-19. Therefore the default assumption is that COVID-19 will have a similar result. Yes, we wonÂ’t know for sure for years, but there is a much stronger reason to believe it will last years than weeks. ThatÂ’s great if it happens - why do you people insist on arguing for the worst case? I donÂ’t get it.

You are literally the only one discussing this the last several posts who is assuming something. No one else is saying anything other than we don’t know, experts don’t know, no one knows. You are guessing and hoping and then getting mad and stating we are arguing for the worst case when we aren’t arguing for anything.

For the record I think you may be going crazy with this latest post.