Covid-19

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is priceless.

We are dealing with the Gov of Georgia. He’s capable of contradicting himself. It’s a gift.

I’ve heard from an epidemiologist this herd immunity, if it arises for some period of time, only occurs when 85-90% of the population has been exposed. That may help, but it’s not the answer. Science will be the answer. I don’t think our Governor can spell science.

I have read 60% too for some diseases. But I think they key is it depends on how contagious the disease is and as we know COVID-19 seems to be up there in the highly contagious category.

[xu82]

I have read 60% too for some diseases. But I think they key is it depends on how contagious the disease is and as we know COVID-19 seems to be up there in the highly contagious category.

It may have been the same doctor who said he’s been at it for several decades, and this is the most transmissible virus he has ever seen. He’s one guy, and who knows what his agenda is, but you have to take note of that.

[XU '11]

Trump 6:15pm: "Dr. Redfield was misquoted."
Dr. Redfield 6:17 pm: "I was not misquoted"

This is what we're dealing with.

The direct quote in the article was accurate. The headline of "CDC director warns second wave of coronavirus is likely to be even more devastating" is what both Trump and Redfield came out and STRONGLY said was an incorrect reading of the statement.

The headline was a false indirect quote.

So they're both right?

[xubrew]

The "herd immunity" that no one has any idea if it even exists or will exist?

Why wouldn’t herd immunity exist?

Because we haven't established that people have immunity for any significant amount of time.

Exactly. There is absolutely zero evidence that people who get COVID-19 have any immunity to it after they have recovered. Like I said in my post previously there is hope people who get it build up some immunity. For how long? 3 months? 6months? 12 months? Lifetime? We have no idea.

Also I have heard even if you do get some immunity it may depend on the severity of you symptoms as to how much if any immunity you built up.

But again there have already been some reports that people who have already had, got it again. So who knows?

That is why it is so flawed when people say I just want to get it and be done and have my immunity.

Okay, where are you getting the zero evidence of immunity from? Based on what I've heard, there is a mountain of evidence saying that people that have had it are immune.

It's a virus. It's not a bacteria. As I understand it, once you've had any virus, the chances of getting the exact same strand of it again are infinitesimal. If that isn't the case, then any sort of a vaccine would be impossible. Simply put, I believe the reasons vaccines work is because they expose you to a non-harmful virus that they created that is similar to the virus to where your immune system fights it off and then makes you immune to it, but at the same time doesn't harm you when you're exposed to it. Now, it could mutate into different strands and become seasonal the way the flu does, but as I understand it every time you get the flu you get a different strand of it.

I know they say that there have been reinfections, but haven't they also said that since the testing was so new, and that since the number of reinfections are relatively very small, that there was a far greater chance of there being an issue with the tests indicating false positives or false negatives than there was with people actually being reinfected??

There are antibodies tests, are there not?? What are they testing for if there are no antibodies that can make people immune from the virus?? Based on the fact that those types of tests exists must indicate that immunity for those who get infected but get over it is highly probable, does it not??

[xubrew]

Just happened to be at the top of my newsfeed. I admittedly haven’t read past the headline, but still....

https://apple.news/ALUeO2VrdS4m7y2Q2461bag

[boozehound]

What Immunity to COVID-19 Really Means

Here is an analysis from Scientific American. The upshot is that antibodies are not necessarily a 1:1 relationship to immunity, and even if they are the duration of said immunity can vary widely.

Hopefully this is like Chicken Pox and one infection yields lifetime immunity, but it's not a guarantee.

I'm not a medical professional so hopefully someone who is can provide further context (or correct me if I'm wrong).

[Masterofreality]

Today's "Let's do a Reality Check" Report for Ohio:

Model Projection of new Cases per Day (Mitigated) 2,000 on April 17. (Projected peak Today 4/22 shows 1,875 per OSU model)
Today's Actual new reported Cases: 577 (68 Probable/Assumed cases today.)
Highest Daily Total Increase in cases since report began on 3/9: 1380 Monday with 56 probable/assumed- A LOT from the Marion County prison
Actual TOTAL Hospitalizations: 2,960 (up only 78 from yesterday) since reporting began over a month ago. Where are the Marion County cases?
Actual TOTAL ICU admits: 900 since reporting began a month ago (up 20 from yesterday). Where are the Marion County cases??
New Deaths today: 46 to 656 total (includes 38 presumed)
Total Ohio Hospital Beds: 34,000
Total Ohio ICU Beds:2500
Ohio Population; 11.7 million

Welp. For all of those wondering, all that incredible testing at Marion yielded more cases reported, but apparently no big run on hospitalizations or ICU's.
Models still truly "fake news". This is becoming ludicrous day by day.

I'll say this one more time. The testing posture is a red herring. Even if you are tested, it is merely a snapshot in time. You may be negative today when you're tested and positive tomorrow when you aren't so what has been accomplished? You may not even show or feel symptoms so you'd never think to get tested again. Are we now going to require testing every individual every day, every hour because you touched a doorknob? Totally unrealistic and what is the endgame? How do you get to the end? Yeah, let's have roving teams of jackbooted thugs roaming stands at baseball games to test all the attendees, then throwing all the ones who test positive in a concentration camp lockdown for 14 days. That's it!!!
Or, if with other diseases, if you feel sick you stay home. If you start feeling worse, you go to an insta clinic or get an appointment with your doc for treatment? 98% at least of people who follow this route with other diseases are fine, and you aren't shutting the country down. Testing Posture is a cute way for those who want to keep the thumb on society to never let that thumb off. Infinite Perpetual Testing Forever!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Okay, where are you getting the zero evidence of immunity from? Based on what I've heard, there is a mountain of evidence saying that people that have had it are immune.

It's a virus. It's not a bacteria. As I understand it, once you've had any virus, the chances of getting the exact same strand of it again are infinitesimal. If that isn't the case, then any sort of a vaccine would be impossible. Simply put, I believe the reasons vaccines work is because they expose you to a non-harmful virus that they created that is similar to the virus to where your immune system fights it off and then makes you immune to it, but at the same time doesn't harm you when you're exposed to it. Now, it could mutate into different strands and become seasonal the way the flu does, but as I understand it every time you get the flu you get a different strand of it.

I know they say that there have been reinfections, but haven't they also said that since the testing was so new, and that since the number of reinfections are relatively very small, that there was a far greater chance of there being an issue with the tests indicating false positives or false negatives than there was with people actually being reinfected??

There are antibodies tests, are there not?? What are they testing for if there are no antibodies that can make people immune from the virus?? Based on the fact that those types of tests exists must indicate that immunity for those who get infected but get over it is highly probable, does it not??

https://nypost.com/video/dr-mike-say...firm-immunity/

Here is a video of one doc who breaks it down pretty good.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just happened to be at the top of my newsfeed. I admittedly haven’t read past the headline, but still....

https://apple.news/ALUeO2VrdS4m7y2Q2461bag

From the article you posted:

He also noted that it was unclear whether testing positive for antibodies meant a person had achieved immunity.

“Moving forward until those studies are done we won’t know what it means for someone to be antibody-positive,” he said.

Do you have any links to anything you've read to suggest there is mountains of evidence that once you've had it you are immune? I have not seen one single thing state that. There is hope of that for sure like I have said but if so for how long? No one knows.

[Muskie in dayton]

Also yes it could be a reactivation or resurgence of COVID-19 happening in people who seem to have "had it twice" and not truly be them contracting it again. But again at this point it is unknown. So this idea that we all just need to get it and we will be good continues to be false.

Debbie downer! You say it "continues to be false" with but provide no basis! I provided a very good basis in post #1380 for why herd immunity can end this pandemic, at least until we have a vaccine. I'll concede we don't know, but smart money is that this is similar to other coronavirus outbreaks. No?