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08-19-2021, 06:59 PM
paulxu

Maybe they could all come work here in the red states where hospitals are filling up with the unvaccinated.
08-19-2021, 07:16 PM
XU_Lou

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Maybe they could all come work here in the red states where hospitals are filling up with the unvaccinated.

Not for long, Paul, not for long.... Israel is SC's future....
08-19-2021, 07:30 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

I agree. We really have no idea what happens across the world but it sure is fun to speculate conspiracy.

I agree. Did you hear the one about the bats and pangolins?
08-19-2021, 07:44 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by GIMMFD

The sterility/infertility thing was started by a respiratory researcher at Pfizer who wanted the European Medicine Agency to suspend the vaccine, citing the possibility of infertility for an undisclosed amount of the time, the theory was that syncytin-1 which is important for development of the embreyo for the fetus was relatively similar to the spike-protein of COVID (what the population failed to realize with that, is that if that were true, just getting COVID in general could lead to sterility/infertility, but I digress), so that it could possibly cross-react and mess up implantation of the embreyo which is vital for growing the fetus. HOWEVER, this study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...66334121000684 shows the claims are false (and gives all the background information), if your DIL has a serious concern about sterility/infertility and has any questions what so ever about this study (limitations, data interpretation, broken down into simple terms) feel free to shoot me a message, and I'm happy to answer any she may have.

For the first paragraph, I think a lot of that is exactly what we're seeing in the general population. A lot of people don't see the realities of COVID when it's bad, citing statistics, people's general symptoms, etc. and that is "their reality" so to speak. However, health care providers are walking through ICUs where all the ventilators are being used up, getting pretty damn good at intubations, and watching oxygen sats drop like flies, etc. Things we see aren't what the public sees, and even if we "show the realities" it's written off as a conspiracy, an extrapolated data point, etc. I could tell you horror stories in any patient population right now, but that won't change anything until you can have a visual, emotional, physical, etc. conceptualization of what it's doing. I'm ALWAYS happy to explain all the facts behind the vaccine, the level of protection it gives (it's basic immunology), how it gives protection, how it works, what risks/benefits it has to anybody that's curious about it. I'm happy to do that about any condition or diagnosis, or medical thing, that's my favorite part of the job, being able to communicate this complex language and pathophysiology into simple terms to A. educate patients, but more importantly B. ease concerns and build rapport.

UPDATE: The “leader sister” now has a friend who is apparently brain dead in an Orlando hospital. The leader sister has her shots started, and the DIL starts tomorrow with her first shot. LOVE the DIL but not fond of the whole follower mentality. Glad they were able to adapt. Love her even more for that ability to pivot in the face of the obvious.
08-19-2021, 07:46 PM
Lloyd Braun

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I agree. Did you hear the one about the bats and pangolins?

Not sure how animal spillover is a conspiracy. Unless you believe these animals are devious enough to plot this. I think they’re too cute for that.
08-19-2021, 08:22 PM
XU_Lou

Yes, data still matters, but no doubt, the mask nazis will deny reality once again:

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/statu...97280859639810

https://thelibertydaily.com/louisian...stop-covid-19/
08-19-2021, 08:24 PM
xuwillie

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Yes, data still matters, but no doubt, the mask nazis will deny reality once again:

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/statu...97280859639810

https://thelibertydaily.com/louisian...stop-covid-19/

Yeah Oregon off the charts right now but lets just talk about those mean nasty red states
08-19-2021, 11:02 PM
GIMMFD

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Originally Posted by xu82

UPDATE: The “leader sister” now has a friend who is apparently brain dead in an Orlando hospital. The leader sister has her shots started, and the DIL starts tomorrow with her first shot. LOVE the DIL but not fond of the whole follower mentality. Glad they were able to adapt. Love her even more for that ability to pivot in the face of the obvious.

I'm in Orlando right now, it's a cluster-fuck with COVID patients, went to the ED today for a consult and running max capacity with people being seen in portable beds in the hallways as an "observation" type of unit, I think it's something along the lines of 118/162 beds in the hospital are COVID positive, all elective surgeries (which unfortunately includes procedures like mastectomies for breast cancer) are on hold, they're floating the surgical/anesthesia support staff to different areas to help out any way they can, and there's been some absolute horror stories I've heard in passing, so honestly not surprised, but I do give condolences, it's tough to stomach some of this stuff.

Gotta say, I do give people credit when they are able to change their opinion on something they once held, I don't enjoy when it's something serious like what happened above, but I think it kind of plays into my point about it not setting in until it's real to your situation. Glad to hear the family members decided to go through with the vaccination and that they find the benefits outweigh the risk in their situations.
08-20-2021, 06:45 AM
bjf123

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Originally Posted by xuwillie

Yeah Oregon off the charts right now but lets just talk about those mean nasty red states

Yep. Just like when the media is talking about the unvaccinated, they somehow work in that they’re usually Trump supporters, even though blacks and Hispanics are statistically the least vaccinated per the last numbers I saw.

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08-20-2021, 10:57 AM
Xville

https://www.businessinsider.com/delt...azeneca-2021-8
08-20-2021, 12:07 PM
Lloyd Braun

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Originally Posted by Xville

https://www.businessinsider.com/delt...azeneca-2021-8

This correlates with the data from Kentucky I posted a few weeks ago. Post 5464ish

Super immune!
08-20-2021, 12:08 PM
noteggs

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Originally Posted by Xville

https://www.businessinsider.com/delt...azeneca-2021-8

Well that’s promising and logical. Thanks for sending. We knew it was a matter of time when effectiveness would wane due to the new variants/strains show up.

Pretty soon we’ll have flu shot like efficacy with covid shots which is still very helpful. However based off this real world data, looks like we still have some pretty strong numbers on the Delta front.

My favorite line from the article, “It would, however, be “completely irresponsible” to deliberately try to get infected after getting your second vaccine, because there is a small chance you’d end up in hospital, the study lead Professor Sarah Walker said.” Hmm…I guess there are some idiots out there that you have to put in the disclaimer.
08-20-2021, 01:33 PM
STL_XUfan

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Originally Posted by noteggs

Well that’s promising and logical. Thanks for sending. We knew it was a matter of time when effectiveness would wane due to the new variants/strains show up.

Pretty soon we’ll have flu shot like efficacy with covid shots which is still very helpful. However based off this real world data, looks like we still have some pretty strong numbers on the Delta front.

My favorite line from the article, “It would, however, be “completely irresponsible” to deliberately try to get infected after getting your second vaccine, because there is a small chance you’d end up in hospital, the study lead Professor Sarah Walker said.” Hmm…I guess there are some idiots out there that you have to put in the disclaimer.

I spent over a year not licking door handles, and now you are going to tell me that I still cannot lick door handles. Clearly this is fascism.
08-20-2021, 01:46 PM
Lloyd Braun

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

I spent over a year not licking door handles, and now you are going to tell me that I still cannot lick door handles. Clearly this is fascism.

Contact surface transmission is low anyways. Covid parties are where it’s at
08-20-2021, 02:13 PM
Smails

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Contact surface transmission is low anyways. Covid parties are where it’s at

Thank god. I'm getting sick and tired of washing my hands after every time I drop a deuce..
08-20-2021, 02:41 PM
noteggs

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

I spent over a year not licking door handles, and now you are going to tell me that I still cannot lick door handles. Clearly this is fascism.

Lol! Now only if can get everyone to quit.
08-20-2021, 03:21 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

I spent over a year not licking door handles, and now you are going to tell me that I still cannot lick door handles. Clearly this is fascism.

I 100% support your free choice to lick door handles...
08-20-2021, 03:44 PM
xu82

I went grocery shopping for some hard to find stuff today. I hit two Whole Foods, a Publix and a Kroger. Probably about 85% back to wearing a mask voluntarily, except at Kroger where there is a sign saying they are mandatory (so it was more like 95%). A big swing from where we were not too long ago when masks were rare. I don’t love it, but it’s not exactly difficult to do.
08-20-2021, 03:59 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by xu82

I went grocery shopping for some hard to find stuff today. I hit two Whole Foods, a Publix and a Kroger. Probably about 85% back to wearing a mask voluntarily, except at Kroger where there is a sign saying they are mandatory (so it was more like 95%). A big swing from where we were not too long ago when masks were rare. I don’t love it, but it’s not exactly difficult to do.

Or effective..
08-20-2021, 04:46 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Or effective..

I was just making an observation, but of course you couldn’t help yourself. I understand.
08-20-2021, 05:29 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by xu82

I was just making an observation, but of course you couldn’t help yourself. I understand.

An observation? Who are you, Issac Newton?

An observation with an opinion and a point.
08-20-2021, 05:40 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

An observation? Who are you, Issac Newton?

An observation with an opinion and a point.

No, I was noting that the ratio of masking wearing people has changed dramatically in the last several weeks, before you rushed in with “an opinion and a point.” It’s a fact that it’s not difficult, that’s not opinion.
08-20-2021, 06:45 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by xu82

No, I was noting that the ratio of masking wearing people has changed dramatically in the last several weeks, before you rushed in with “an opinion and a point.” It’s a fact that it’s not difficult, that’s not opinion.

And my observation is it's not effective or necessary. Who cares how difficult it is.
08-20-2021, 07:09 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And my observation is it's not effective or necessary. Who cares how difficult it is.

Your “observation” is nothing but an opinion.
08-20-2021, 07:10 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by xu82

Your “observation” is nothing but an opinion.

It falls in line with what has been said by “experts”. Until they changed their minds after the teacher unions and other groups whined.
08-20-2021, 07:32 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It falls in line with what has been said by “experts”. Until they changed their minds after the teacher unions and other groups whined.

There are Lou’s “experts” and links, and then there is the other side of the argument. I don’t claim to be all-knowing to bolster my argument. I got the shots to play it safe, when required I will do the same with masks.
08-20-2021, 07:36 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by xu82

There are Lou’s “experts” and links, and then there is the other side of the argument. I don’t claim to be all-knowing to bolster my argument. I got the shots to play it safe, when required I will do the same with masks.

Well, Fauci said it.
08-20-2021, 07:54 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well, Fauci said it.

When, exactly? In the beginning? More toward the middle (to date)? Or more recently? The point is, the “best knowledge” changes constantly. I’d feel stupid if I bought into one line of thinking and spent my time endorsing that. I go with the odds and play it as safe as possible, within reason. A lot of info saying all kinds of things. I don’t trust any of them completely.
08-20-2021, 08:19 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by xu82

When, exactly? In the beginning? More toward the middle (to date)? Or more recently? The point is, the “best knowledge” changes constantly. I’d feel stupid if I bought into one line of thinking and spent my time endorsing that. I go with the odds and play it as safe as possible, within reason. A lot of info saying all kinds of things. I don’t trust any of them completely.

In his emails. I'd feel stupid if I still believed cloth masks were effective.

It's good to go with the odds. Even better when you know the odd makers are wrong.
08-20-2021, 08:25 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

In his emails. I'd feel stupid if I still believed cloth masks were effective.

It's good to go with the odds. Even better when you know the odd makers are wrong.

I’m sorry, but you seem to have confused “when” and “where”. Please clarify. I’m open to new information.
08-20-2021, 08:30 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by xu82

I’m sorry, but you seem to have confused “when” and “where”. Please clarify. I’m open to new information.

In his emails (where), Lookup the when on your own because frankly it doesn't matter.
08-20-2021, 08:43 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

In his emails (where), Lookup the when on your own because frankly it doesn't matter.

So you acknowledge you have no answer. Fine with me. Plenty of people on both sides of the aisle. I admit I don’t know what is “the truth” about this issue. It evolves, and I hope I continue to evolve and adapt. I haven’t “chosen a side” as many seem to have done, because quite frankly that seems like a stupid approach to me when there is so much more yet to learn.

But to say “Lookup the when on your own because frankly it doesn't matter” sounds like you’ve decided to be closed minded about a subject that is constantly changing. All good, you be you. But, if it doesn’t matter, why did you bring it up? Timing seems like a critical element in figuring out this pandemic.
08-20-2021, 08:49 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by xu82

So you acknowledge you have no answer. Fine with me. Plenty of people on both sides of the aisle. I admit I don’t know what is “the truth” about this issue. It evolves, and I hope I continue to evolve and adapt. I haven’t “chosen a side” as many seem to have done, because quite frankly that seems like a stupid approach to me when there is so much more yet to learn.

But to say “Lookup the when on your own because frankly it doesn't matter” sounds like you’ve decided to be closed minded. All good, you be you. But, if it doesn’t matter, why did you bring it up? Timing seems like a critical element in figuring out this pandemic.

No 82. I gave you an answer. You don't have to like it but Fauci did write they don't work. It doesn't matter because the man has been feckless and mostly wrong about everything important his whole career. Including funding GOF research in China after being told not to. I'm not taking a side and you don't need a PHD to know a virus will pass right through a cloth mask. Go build a chain link fence to keep the bees out and put on your mask like a good little citizen. I don't care but stop expecting others to care or just to it to make others feel good like their making a difference.
08-20-2021, 08:57 PM
X Factor

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/19/covi...premature.html

How many jabs are you willing to get for a virus with a 98+% survival rate?
08-20-2021, 09:00 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

No 82. I gave you an answer. You don't have to like it but Fauci did write they don't work. It doesn't matter because the man has been feckless and mostly wrong about everything important his whole career. Including funding GOF research in China after being told not to. I'm not taking a side and you don't need a PHD to know a virus will pass right through a cloth mask. Go build a chain link fence to keep the bees out and put on your mask like a good little citizen. I don't care but stop expecting others to care or just to it to make others feel good like their making a difference.

You gave AN answer. You did not give THE answer to the question that was asked. So, in other words, it was worthless keystrokes. You go be “a good little citizen” yourself, while telling yourself you know everything you need to know to protect yourself and those around you.

I have no such arrogance. Have a great weekend.
08-20-2021, 09:02 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by xu82

You gave AN answer. You did not give THE answer to the question that was asked. So, in other words, it was worthless keystrokes. You go be “a good little citizen” yourself, while telling yourself you know everything you need to know to protect yourself and those around you.

I have no such arrogance. Have a great weekend.

You do the same. I sure don't know everything but I do know a cloth mask is virtually useless against a virus. Have a great weekend yourself.

By the way be sure the stores you visit have plastic barriers for the safety of the common good.
08-20-2021, 09:11 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You do the same. I sure don't know everything but I do know a cloth mask is virtually useless against a virus. Have a great weekend yourself.

By the way be sure the stores you visit have plastic barriers for the safety of the common good.

So, you concede that there may in fact be some benefit???

Why not accept that? Why fight tooth and nail? Anything, whether it be shot or masks or distancing, should be on the table to be considered IMO.
08-20-2021, 09:11 PM
Xville

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Originally Posted by X Factor

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/19/covi...premature.html

How many jabs are you willing to get for a virus with a 98+% survival rate?

Lame question and incredibly short sighted. Survival rate is not the only thing that matters. Yet even if it was, the Flu has a hell of a survival rate but still get a flu shot every year. If there was a common cold shot I’d get “jabbed” every time I needed to avoid that crap. Maybe you enjoy getting sick, I sure don’t. Do I need a booster right now, nah probably not but if I end up needing one once a year to avoid that shit again, sign me up.
08-20-2021, 09:23 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by Xville

Lame question and incredibly short sighted. Survival rate is not the only thing that matters. Yet even if it was, the Flu has a hell of a survival rate but still get a flu shot every year. If there was a common cold shot I’d get “jabbed” every time I needed to avoid that crap. Maybe you enjoy getting sick, I sure don’t. Do I need a booster right now, nah probably not but if I end up needing one once a year to avoid that shit again, sign me up.

Glad you assessed the risk to you and the your tolerance for feeling sick. Please allow the rest of us to do the same.
08-20-2021, 09:28 PM
xu82

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Glad you assessed the risk to you and the your tolerance for feeling sick. Please allow the rest of us to do the same.

Do you feel the same about HIV and the like?

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