Final Hearings for House Case Settlement on Apr 7th

[paulxu]

Curious as to how you see this operating.
A national players union bargaining with the NCAA?
A national players union where each local (school) bargains with it's school?
A national players union where each conference group bargains with it's conference?

[xubrew]

Curious as to how you see this operating.
A national players union bargaining with the NCAA?
A national players union where each local (school) bargains with it's school?
A national players union where each conference group bargains with it's conference?

If I were king for a day, I would suggest separating SAAC outside of the NCAA's umbrella, but keeping the structure pretty much the same as it is now, and making that the representative body of the student-athletes.

The structure is this. At each school every team has two representatives. For each conference, every school has two representatives. At the national level, every conference has two representatives. And, that's it. That's the body that represents the players. It's already in place. They already have a voice (albeit it is mostly a token voice, but at least the structure is there). Just give them an ACTUAL voice and make them the representative body.

That's what I'd LIKE to see. As far as what I think will ACTUALLY happen...honestly...I almost think there's a better chance that the NCAA simply collapses and the Big Ten and SEC basically take over running college sports on their own and everyone else is just kind of shut out.

If they haven't gotten the memo by now, and it's pretty clear that they haven't, then they won't until it actually is way too late.

[MHettel]

The fact that they hammered out this 2.8B settlement and developed this system moving forward without having a collective bargaining agreement with the players tells me everything I need to know about how essential it is to have a collective bargaining agreement with the players.

I mean, they had a lot of smart guys working on this.

[xubrew]

The fact that they hammered out this 2.8B settlement and developed this system moving forward without having a collective bargaining agreement with the players tells me everything I need to know about how essential it is to have a collective bargaining agreement with the players.

I mean, they had a lot of smart guys working on this.

If "smart guys" had been working on this, they would have addressed this long ago and NOT had to pay over $2 billion dollars in damages, while at the same time losing almost complete control of all the rules that used to exist and receiving no actual protection against future litigation. I think they have been incredibly stupid.

[xudash]

I would think that Congress would step in before the B1G and SEC are allowed to run everything nationwide. Too many other schools involved for that level of concentration to take place. I’m not talking about competitive balance here, either. I’m talking about the appearance of that; other schools still having an opportunity to participate meaningfully.

I understand and agree with your argument about the need to get to collective bargaining, although it sounds like it won’t be easy to put in place.

Otherwise, I cannot for the life of me see how an NIL deal involves an employer/employee relationship. Such deals are transactional in nature. They have 1099 written all over them. On what planet would a W-2 be issued for such services.

[xubrew]

I would think that Congress would step in before the B1G and SEC are allowed to run everything nationwide. Too many other schools involved for that level of concentration to take place. I’m not talking about competitive balance here, either. I’m talking about the appearance of that; other schools still having an opportunity to participate meaningfully.

I understand and agree with your argument about the need to get to collective bargaining, although it sounds like it won’t be easy to put in place.

Otherwise, I cannot for the life of me see how an NIL deal involves an employer/employee relationship. Such deals are transactional in nature. They have 1099 written all over them. On what planet would a W-2 be issued for such services.

I for one would not count on this. This is what the NCAA wants to have happen, and while I won't totally dismiss it as a possibility (that would actually result in a favorable outcome if it did happen), I just think it's a huge mistake to just assume that it is what will happen. It probably won't.

Also, the NCAA would have to craft an argument as to why they deserve an antitrust exemption. And, you know what?? I actually think this could be done! While the high level revenue sports in college athletics are just that, a revenue generating industry, there are also elements to college athletics that make it very unique and very much unlike virtually all other businesses that antitrust laws are supposed to protect and to ensure access to the free market. There is a general public interest. There is an educational element. There is widespread value, opportunity, and participation beyond just the high level revenue sports. In order for that to be preserved, an antitrust exemption is necessary.

Now, having said THAT, I don't think the NCAA and/or college sports leaders are very smart. I don't think they will craft any sort of an argument that would actually persuade congress to do anything. If they were to do so, then why hasn't this already happened?? I don't have any faith in them at all. They had MANY chances to get this under control, and stupidly failed to do so. So, forgive me if I'm not entirely optimistic in the future of college sports right now. I for one do not look at where we are and think things are in a good place. Things have gotten a lot worse in a short amount of time, and I don't see that stopping.

[MHettel]

I for one would not count on this. This is what the NCAA wants to have happen, and while I won't totally dismiss it as a possibility (that would actually result in a favorable outcome if it did happen), I just think it's a huge mistake to just assume that it is what will happen. It probably won't.

Also, the NCAA would have to craft an argument as to why they deserve an antitrust exemption. And, you know what?? I actually think this could be done! While the high level revenue sports in college athletics are just that, a revenue generating industry, there are also elements to college athletics that make it very unique and very much unlike virtually all other businesses that antitrust laws are supposed to protect and to ensure access to the free market. There is a general public interest. There is an educational element. There is widespread value, opportunity, and participation beyond just the high level revenue sports. In order for that to be preserved, an antitrust exemption is necessary.

Now, having said THAT, I don't think the NCAA and/or college sports leaders are very smart. I don't think they will craft any sort of an argument that would actually persuade congress to do anything. If they were to do so, then why hasn't this already happened?? I don't have any faith in them at all. They had MANY chances to get this under control, and stupidly failed to do so. So, forgive me if I'm not entirely optimistic in the future of college sports right now. I for one do not look at where we are and think things are in a good place. Things have gotten a lot worse in a short amount of time, and I don't see that stopping.

Serious question.

You speak like an expert. Are you an expert? If so, how would you qualify that statement. Formal training? Specific experience? Education?

[MHettel]

If "smart guys" had been working on this, they would have addressed this long ago and NOT had to pay over $2 billion dollars in damages, while at the same time losing almost complete control of all the rules that used to exist and receiving no actual protection against future litigation. I think they have been incredibly stupid.

But in the end, you are just a guy with an opinion on an internet message board. A fairly obscure message board at that.

We’re moving forward without collective bargaining. The plaintiffs lawyers are gonna take I .5B for their work. The NCAA lawyers probably billed 100M for their efforts. I’m sure they discussed it with some people that have a pretty good handle on labor laws.

Just sayin

[xubrew]

But in the end, you are just a guy with an opinion on an internet message board. A fairly obscure message board at that.

We’re moving forward without collective bargaining. The plaintiffs lawyers are gonna take I .5B for their work. The NCAA lawyers probably billed 100M for their efforts. I’m sure they discussed it with some people that have a pretty good handle on labor laws.

Just sayin

We're continuing on without collectively bargaining. I think we will continue to move in the same direction we've been moving ever since the Alston Case, and it ain't forward.

[Xville]

But in the end, you are just a guy with an opinion on an internet message board. A fairly obscure message board at that.

We’re moving forward without collective bargaining. The plaintiffs lawyers are gonna take I .5B for their work. The NCAA lawyers probably billed 100M for their efforts. I’m sure they discussed it with some people that have a pretty good handle on labor laws.

Just sayin

Considering all the losses the ncaa has over the past decade, what makes you believe that their lawyers have a good handle on any of this? If there aren’t lawsuits already made regarding this decision, there will be. The only chances that the ncaa will not lose again is if congress steps in and is able to give college sports some type of antitrust exemption or if somehow legally conferences can make member institutions sign something that says they won’t sue, or if they do, they will be kicked out. As for the second scenario, I don’t know how legally they could accomplish this. As to the first scenario, what makes you believe that congress can accomplish this? I’m not a legal expert by any means but there is plenty of evidence that points to the ncaa and their lawyers being grossly incompetent as well as our federal government.