Politics Thread

[xuphan]

Double post

[xubrew]

Are you willfully ignoring ALL the facts? Or are you truly that ignorant?

You're willfully ignoring his questions.

[xubrew]

Stephen Miller does a pretty good job of outlining the scope of just the immigration crime that the Demoncrap crime syndicate has wrought on this country. These are real crimes, not manufactured crime designed to circumvent the will of the actual citizenry.

Waggy: Forget Stephen Miller, since you posted his video. The question for you is: Is Garcia a person charged with a crime in the US? If so, which crime? If he has not been charged, and has the papers to stay here, why was he arrested? Oh, yes, the Trumpsters admitted it was a "mistake." Why do fellow travellers like you continue to post lies?

Do you understand the actual costs of illegal immigration? People and children are trafficked. People are extorted and not uncommonly are murdered or die. More drugs make it across the boarder. All this by cartels/gangs. People in our country are harmed. Sometimes physically. There is also a large tax on our welfare and healthcare systems. You may be fine with all these costs, but I am not. There is a right way to enter this country. We have laws. Everyone here illegally should be exported. Everyone. So it does not matter if someone doesn't break the law while here. They did so when they entered.

And our posture as a country on this issue matters. Turns out we didn't need more laws - we just needed a new president.

The senator from Maryland cares more about an illegal gang member than he does about the victims of them in his own state. Hmm doesn't that seem a bit off? Like maybe there's more money in it? You might be a bleeding heart, but believe me that senator definitely isn't. The reason this nothingburger is staying in the news is because power and money are at stake.

It's possible, perhaps even good, to have multiple thoughts in your head at the same time.

Gangs are a major problem in the United States. I've said multiple times in the conversations we've had about gun control that there is a much bigger correlation between gang activity and gun violence than there is to gun laws and gun violence. And there is. So, Trump taking on gangs like MS 13 is a good thing! We should applaud this! EVERYONE!! If you're concerned about gun violence, which I am, then this will likely be a very effective corrective action.

In the case of Garcia specifically, what I don't get (and what no one else is talking about) is how there ended up being two conflicting court orders. One ordering him deported, and another shielding him from deportation. That seems odd. That needs fixing. In my opinion that should have been fixed before any action against him specifically was taken.

260 people were deported right along with him. No one seems to have an issue with 259 of them. Just him. So, all this stuff about wanting to let criminals in to the country, and let them stay here...NO!!!! THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ISSUE IS!!! It's in this ONE particular case, he was denied due process and THAT'S what they have an issue with. If he comes back, and the conflicting court orders get untangled, and it's decided he once again needs to be deported, then see ya!

What also smells bad is that Trump has tried to claim that he is a member of MS13. My current knowledge of gang culture is limited. There was a time in my career when I was at a university where several of the students I worked with had ties to gangs, but for the last eight years...not so much. I do still keep up with a couple of people, one in particular, who had been in a gang, managed to cut ties while in college, and even played pro for a little while, and now works to help try and get youths out of gangs. He's an expert. I'm not. But what I do know about MS13 is that they are very overt. They're not the Illuminati with a bunch of secret symbols that only high level scholars can decipher. They're more like the Hells Angels. If someone is a member, you know it within seconds. They're more likely to have MS13 tattooed across their face than some obscure symbols tattooed on their fingers. And I don't think those were even MS13 symbols at all. The skull almost definitely did not mean the number 3. So, that was, at best, a BIIIIG stretch.

The other thing I found strange was the claim by Stephen Miller that the gang that was persecuting him in El Salvador doesn't exist anymore. I don't know what gang he's talking about, but that's VERY odd because the 18th Street absolutely still exists. If they are not persecuting him, then isn't that a pretty sure sign that he's NOT an MS13 member??? I'll be honest. At first I thought he was (fair or unfair I didn't see why he'd be wearing a Bulls hat if he wasn't. It's the horns from the Bulls insignia, BTW). Then I wasn't sure. Then when their evidence was his fingers I really wasn't sure. And now I'm guessing that he probably isn't even in Ms13 at all and likely never was.

So, the measures being taken to get violent criminals that are here illegally out of the country are good!! No one with any common sense should be able to argue against that. But in this ONE PARTICULAR CASE...did they make a mistake?? I think it's fair to say that they may have, and saying that they did DOES NOT mean I don't want the deportations of illegal gang members who commit violent crimes to continue.

Law enforcement makes good faith mistakes all the time. They arrest the wrong person or charge the wrong person. But, so long as the charges are promptly dropped and the person is promptly released no one loses faith in the system. To make a mistake and NOT release that person is going to cause people to lose their shit...AND IT SHOULD!

[Xville]

The town drunk looks like he’ll be looking for a new job soon. Shocked I tell ya, shocked!

[xuphan]

The town drunk looks like he’ll be looking for a new job soon. Shocked I tell ya, shocked!

In the words of Lee Corso. “Not so fast my friend!”

https://x.com/presssec/status/1914371752685076757?s=46


https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/19...154735187?s=46

[paulxu]

No credible response to the first story of using Signal where they looped in the editor of the Atlantic by mistake.
Only deflection, refusal by the Republican congress to investigate, changing the topic, rinse and repeat.

Now a second story of discussing war plans on Signal, with an unknown number of people without security clearance (like his wife) on board.
CNN notes 3 sources for their story.
What's the response? Fake news?
Well, OK then. Now...about the first story.

[hoopster68]

No credible response to the first story of using Signal where they looped in the editor of the Atlantic by mistake.
Only deflection, refusal by the Republican congress to investigate, changing the topic, rinse and repeat.

Now a second story of discussing war plans on Signal, with an unknown number of people without security clearance (like his wife) on board.
CNN notes 3 sources for their story.
What's the response? Fake news?
Well, OK then. Now...about the first story.

Is there any surprise that the clown car would be filled with clowns? Every Rethuglican in the Senate that voted for Sec. Pete should be held accountable (such as Ernst and Tillis). Will they, of course not!

[Xville]

Worst stock market start to a presidency in about a century. MAGA morons.

[xubrew]

Worst stock market start to a presidency in about a century. MAGA morons.

Let's not forget that they won the election. Which means the Dems LOST the election. Which means they need to reexamine a lot of things and probably tell a lot of their current leaders to stand aside and shut up and let new people take the lead. But, so far I'm not seeing them do that. I'm inclined to think that's just as moronic and just as selfish.

[Xville]

Let's not forget that they won the election. Which means the Dems LOST the election. Which means they need to reexamine a lot of things and probably tell a lot of their current leaders to stand aside and shut up and let new people take the lead. But, so far I'm not seeing them do that. I'm inclined to think that's just as moronic and just as selfish.

Oh for sure. The stupidity is on both sides. If the dnc was smart, they’d be propping up people like Shapiro and beshear for the next election. Either would win the presidency in an absolute landslide. Instead, they will probably have newsom and aoc as their two primary heroes. It’s incredibly easy to win the presidency nowadays due to the stupidity on both sides, I swear both the rnc and dnc are the same people that run the ncaa. They are that dumb