Politics Thread

[Xville]

The last 40s years is interesting when your argument goes back 60+ years.

On Healthcare, much of the current mess goes back to wage controls and HMOs. Both Dem policies. I’ll let you research it yourself and figure it out.

Based on your timeline we could discuss “The Great Society” programs and the economic/cultural impacts on the middle class.

Healthcare is actually something I am an expert on, since I have been in the field for a number of years. Most of the problem has everything to do with government not regulating anything because they have had their pockets lined for so long. I’m usually not for government regulation but in this case, it’s badly needed.

The other issue is that we pay for everyone else’s r&d which cause our scripts to already be more than any other nations and that’s before everyone lines their pockets at every step of the way until it’s in the consumers hands.


My main point in all of this is that to blame all our country’s problems on one side of the aisle is at best disingenuous and at worst just being completely stupid. I think many posters on here could accept that both sides are responsible, there are a couple of posters, that will fight to the death believing it’s all one side or the other—-which is just being ignorant.

[XU_Lou]

Healthcare is actually something I am an expert on, since I have been in the field for a number of years. Most of the problem has everything to do with government not regulating anything because they have had their pockets lined for so long. I’m usually not for government regulation but in this case, it’s badly needed.

The other issue is that we pay for everyone else’s r&d which cause our scripts to already be more than any other nations and that’s before everyone lines their pockets at every step of the way until it’s in the consumers hands.


My main point in all of this is that to blame all our country’s problems on one side of the aisle is at best disingenuous and at worst just being completely stupid. I think many posters on here could accept that both sides are responsible, there are a couple of posters, that will fight to the death believing it’s all one side or the other—-which is just being ignorant.

Oh yea, is this like you "being around the game"? Again, just because you're a customer service rep for Humana, doesn't make you an expert on anything.

Your answer is complete nonsense.

[Xville]

Oh yea, is this like you "being around the game"? Again, just because you're a customer service rep for Humana, doesn't make you an expert on anything.

Your answer is complete nonsense.

Good one. I’ve been in the field for twenty years. Stop making yourself look like an idiot. If you think my answer is complete nonsense, than it’s clear you have no clue how our healthcare system and especially the pharmaceutical industry works. Educate yourself and stop making yourself look stupid

[Strange Brew]

Healthcare is actually something I am an expert on, since I have been in the field for a number of years. Most of the problem has everything to do with government not regulating anything because they have had their pockets lined for so long. I’m usually not for government regulation but in this case, it’s badly needed.

The other issue is that we pay for everyone else’s r&d which cause our scripts to already be more than any other nations and that’s before everyone lines their pockets at every step of the way until it’s in the consumers hands.


My main point in all of this is that to blame all our country’s problems on one side of the aisle is at best disingenuous and at worst just being completely stupid. I think many posters on here could accept that both sides are responsible, there are a couple of posters, that will fight to the death believing it’s all one side or the other—-which is just being ignorant.

Ok, which party requires(d) you must take Pharma products to go to work/school and also mandated you buy their (Party, not company) approved health insurance plans?

[XU_Lou]

Good one. I’ve been in the field for twenty years. Stop making yourself look like an idiot. If you think my answer is complete nonsense, than it’s clear you have no clue how our healthcare system and especially the pharmaceutical industry works. Educate yourself and stop making yourself look stupid

It's amazing how you self-proclaim to be an expert on just about every topic that comes on this board. Your answer proves you're just a grunt.


How many games have you been to in the last 10 years?

[Xville]

Ok, which party requires(d) you must take Pharma products to go to work/school and also mandated you buy their (Party, not company) approved health insurance plans?

Ok. and? I’m not denying that both parties aren’t part of the problem. They are.

[XU_Lou]

Ok. and? I’m not denying that both parties aren’t part of the problem. They are.

I know this might be hard for you to comprehend, but he's pointing out that your analysis has been extremely narrow. He's calling you out for being woefully ill-informed, considering, you know, that you're supposed to be a 20-year veteran / expert.

The fact that you haven't mentioned obvious major legislation/policies implemented by Dems in the last several decades, and can't answer basic questions leads me to believe that you've been processing claims for the past 20 years, or something along the lines.

[Xville]

I know this might be hard for you to comprehend, but he's pointing out that your analysis has been extremely narrow. He's calling you out for being woefully ill-informed, considering, you know, that you're supposed to be a 20-year veteran / expert.

The fact that you haven't mentioned obvious major legislation/policies implemented by Dems in the last several decades, and can't answer basic questions leads me to believe that you've been processing claims for the past 20 years, or something along the lines.

Lou, I didn’t ask you. I’m very well aware of what each party has not done to fix healthcare. It’s very obvious that you do not. You don’t even understand why your rates are higher on the exchange and why they have jumped a considerable amount . Those damn dems! lol Let the adults in the room talk and you can just sit back and try not to look like an idiot.

[Xville]

Here are some questions to ponder:

Why does the U.S. pay for most of the r&d when it comes to pharma? Which party is responsible for that?

Why do pbms exist? Why are they unregulated by the government? Who is responsible?

Why is there a lack of price transparency for most services in healthcare? (Admittedly there are a few changes happening around this) why has government done little to change this?

The point is that both parties have their hands in the cookie jar, and neither one of them have done much of anything to prevent drug and healthcare costs from skyrocketing.

While some republicans want to blame it all on ACA, it’s much more complex than that, and at least it allowed for coverage of preexisting conditions like Lou’s brain damage.

[Strange Brew]

Here are some questions to ponder:

Why does the U.S. pay for most of the r&d when it comes to pharma? Which party is responsible for that?

Why do pbms exist? Why are they unregulated by the government? Who is responsible?

Why is there a lack of price transparency for most services in healthcare? (Admittedly there are a few changes happening around this) why has government done little to change this?

The point is that both parties have their hands in the cookie jar, and neither one of them have done much of anything to prevent drug and healthcare costs from skyrocketing.

While some republicans want to blame it all on ACA, it’s much more complex than that, and at least it allowed for coverage of preexisting conditions like Lou’s brain damage.

My guess is because the major companies are based here?

PBMs arose to help negotiate drug prices as a middle org. Not sure it’s a driving cost factor however I don’t care either way if they exist.

Lack of price transparency is due to the use of health insurance m. A third party.

Which party created the cookie jar to feast from? I’ve given you that answer.

Ville, the Dems have owned the Healthcare issue for 30-40 years. It’s been their pet project. The ACA was passed with 0 R votes. And D states have messed around with the system multiple times a failed miserably.

If you want to blame both parties for an issue, this one is not it.

Also, you act as if these companies are unregulated and have yet to mention the FDA. You know the agency that decides what drugs are able to be released.