Politics Thread

[XU_Lou]

How about you answer the question. I'm the one who asked it. Any time anyone challenges you on anything, you turtle up. Your natural responses encompass anything from "do your own research" to a diatribe about "leftist policies" or "core principles" to whatever other nonsensical bs you can come up with. Why?

1.) Because you can't answer without looking like a complete fool.
2.) Your only contributions to this thread are spreading your own propaganda based on what you ingest on a daily basis. Get out of your echo chamber.

Nice try.... Trust me, we all know your playbook.

You said you're the expert on all these topics, so we'll wait for you to tell us the answers.

C'mon, we'll all have a good laugh about it afterwards, right? Isn't that why you're here?

[Xville]

Nice try.... Trust me, we all know your playbook.

You said you're the expert on all these topics, so we'll wait for you to tell us the answers.

C'mon, we'll all have a good laugh about it afterwards, right? Isn't that why you're here?

As I thought you have no idea, yet you said it’s child’s play. If it’s so easy for you, why not answer? We all know why. Let’s see if xup can save you since ya know I asked him first before you rudely commented

[Xuperman]

Because all you want to hear is why someone agrees with you.

Let's try something...we have a lot of problems in this country of ours. Please explain in detail what Republicans have done to correct these problems that have been going on for however many years:

1. Healthcare---cost, availability, etc
2. Veterans
3. Mental Health Services
4. Road and Building Infrastructure
5. Homelessness/Affordable Housing
6. Government Spending
7. Education---falling behind in about every single metric vs the rest of the world yet costs keep going up

I could list more but you get the point. Both political parties have a hand in our problems, and no one cares to fix it.

And btw, if you think Obama and Trump are really any different, why were they chumming it up yesterday at Carter's funeral? Most politicians are all the same. All they care about is power, and manipulating the everyday person into believing they care about them.

Happy to oblige.

In order to respond, ALL the issues you listed have to be discussed in FULL ACKNOWLEDGMENT that Obama policy has dominated 12 of the last 16 years..... and Trump's 4 year "speed bump" had to deal with being a DC outsider and constant attacks from the Democrat propaganda agents in MSM.

1- I am not crazy about Obamacare. Only because it is the beginning of a ONE PAYER GOVERNMENT system. The "like your doctor, keep your doctor" lie and the expected savings makes it a Dem failure for me, but it's is working for some.

2- Veteran affairs are a big loser for the Democrats. There has been some positive legislation from both Biden and Trump

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...president.html

HOWEVER, the Obama Iran skids of cash, ISIS JV team comment, Biden's disastrous Afghanistan debacle and the implementation of insane "Woke" policy by his D.O.D and throughout our military has created serious negative opinions among Vets....especially the older ones. The Veterans thing is not close to a winner for Dems.

3- Both sides acknowledge the lack of focus needed in this area. That's about it. Again....Dems had 12 and Trump had 4 chaotic years to address the problem. It is overwhelming complex....no winners here.

4- "Build back Better" is full of massive unrelated spending and useless pork. I think 5G has expanded, but I am not aware of much other Federal infrastructure improvements from it. How many of the EV charging stations have been built? Bad politics at play here.

5- This is a BIG LOSER for Dems. Again 12 years vs 4. Nearly all of the catastrophic homelessness exists in Big Blue Cities. At the Federal level, progressive policies provide no real deterrent to address the "tent city" epidemic. Sanctuary city laws keep their hands tied, but there is no political will to make changes regardless. The open Biden border does 2 things. It fuels the fentanyl supply addiction that creates a lot of homeless. AND the illegal invasion puts a massive burden on housing availability. Trump WILL reverse this. R's win going away here.

6- Government spending? This is an absolute National Tragedy. Both sides to blame for sure. The corrupt Republican establishment uses a constant campaign of cutting Federal spending, but politically does the exact opposite. Let's see if DOGE has any teeth. It will be painful for the bloated Federal Bureaucracies, but if it does start slashing.....R's win BIG!

7- Education? My God man. You can try and pin this decades long battle to the bottom on Republicans, but the Democrat party, their hardened and corrupt allies in the DOE/Teachers Unions OWN this one. Federal control/oversight of the Public School Systems has yielded catastrophic results....zero debate here. Solution? Eliminate Federal involvement and return responsibility to the States. Pass long held Republican goals of channeling a vast % of Education dollars to voucher programs and let the FREE MARKET do it's thing. Winner, in theory, R's big-time!

That's only your 7. Good list, but my top concerns are not really among them....I will post something later about that. Maybe you can get out of character and respond proportionally when I do.

[Xville]

Happy to oblige.

In order to respond, ALL the issues you listed have to be discussed in FULL ACKNOWLEDGMENT that Obama policy has dominated 12 of the last 16 years..... and Trump's 4 year "speed bump" had to deal with being a DC outsider and constant attacks from the Democrat propaganda agents in MSM.

1- I am not crazy about Obamacare. Only because it is the beginning of a ONE PAYER GOVERNMENT system. The "like your doctor, keep your doctor" lie and the expected savings makes it a Dem failure for me, but it's is working for some.

2- Veteran affairs are a big loser for the Democrats. There has been some positive legislation from both Biden and Trump

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...president.html

HOWEVER, the Obama Iran skids of cash, ISIS JV team comment, Biden's disastrous Afghanistan debacle and the implementation of insane "Woke" policy by his D.O.D and throughout our military has created serious negative opinions among Vets....especially the older ones. The Veterans thing is not close to a winner for Dems.

3- Both sides acknowledge the lack of focus needed in this area. That's about it. Again....Dems had 12 and Trump had 4 chaotic years to address the problem. It is overwhelming complex....no winners here.

4- "Build back Better" is full of massive unrelated spending and useless pork. I think 5G has expanded, but I am not aware of much other Federal infrastructure improvements from it. How many of the EV charging stations have been built? Bad politics at play here.

5- This is a BIG LOSER for Dems. Again 12 years vs 4. Nearly all of the catastrophic homelessness exists in Big Blue Cities. At the Federal level, progressive policies provide no real deterrent to address the "tent city" epidemic. Sanctuary city laws keep their hands tied, but there is no political will to make changes regardless. The open Biden border does 2 things. It fuels the fentanyl supply addiction that creates a lot of homeless. AND the illegal invasion puts a massive burden on housing availability. Trump WILL reverse this. R's win going away here.

6- Government spending? This is an absolute National Tragedy. Both sides to blame for sure. The corrupt Republican establishment uses a constant campaign of cutting Federal spending, but politically does the exact opposite. Let's see if DOGE has any teeth. It will be painful for the bloated Federal Bureaucracies, but if it does start slashing.....R's win BIG!

7- Education? My God man. You can try and pin this decades long battle to the bottom on Republicans, but the Democrat party, their hardened and corrupt allies in the DOE/Teachers Unions OWN this one. Federal control/oversight of the Public School Systems has yielded catastrophic results....zero debate here. Solution? Eliminate Federal involvement and return responsibility to the States. Pass long held Republican goals of channeling a vast % of Education dollars to voucher programs and let the FREE MARKET do it's thing. Winner, in theory, R's big-time!

That's only your 7. Good list, but my top concerns are not really among them....I will post something later about that. Maybe you can get out of character and respond proportionally when I do.

Thanks. I didn’t ask you to say anything about what dems have or will do with any of the 7 issues, so not sure why you added it. It’s not what I asked.

In regards to what you state about the right, it’s clear that you don’t believe they have done much if at all with any of these issues either, which is my point all along. Yes dems have held the presidency in recent years, but 1.) these are problems that have existed way longer than 16 years and 2.) congress has been controlled by both dems and republicans pretty equally over the last 40 or so years so each side is plenty culpable and have had plenty of chances. Again, this is my point.

You could add the overall economy as an 8th point. The middle class that drives everything forward has been lagging further and further behind since the 60s. Rs and ds both are complete failures in this regard as well. Back in the 50s-60s, one parent could work, while the other raised children and you could live a pretty damn comfortable life, complete with a pension by retirement age. Nowadays, two people work their ass off and you better be making pretty damn good money if you have more than one kid to be middle class.

[XU_Lou]

Happy to oblige.

In order to respond, ALL the issues you listed have to be discussed in FULL ACKNOWLEDGMENT that Obama policy has dominated 12 of the last 16 years..... and Trump's 4 year "speed bump" had to deal with being a DC outsider and constant attacks from the Democrat propaganda agents in MSM.

1- I am not crazy about Obamacare. Only because it is the beginning of a ONE PAYER GOVERNMENT system. The "like your doctor, keep your doctor" lie and the expected savings makes it a Dem failure for me, but it's is working for some.

2- Veteran affairs are a big loser for the Democrats. There has been some positive legislation from both Biden and Trump

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...president.html

HOWEVER, the Obama Iran skids of cash, ISIS JV team comment, Biden's disastrous Afghanistan debacle and the implementation of insane "Woke" policy by his D.O.D and throughout our military has created serious negative opinions among Vets....especially the older ones. The Veterans thing is not close to a winner for Dems.

3- Both sides acknowledge the lack of focus needed in this area. That's about it. Again....Dems had 12 and Trump had 4 chaotic years to address the problem. It is overwhelming complex....no winners here.

4- "Build back Better" is full of massive unrelated spending and useless pork. I think 5G has expanded, but I am not aware of much other Federal infrastructure improvements from it. How many of the EV charging stations have been built? Bad politics at play here.

5- This is a BIG LOSER for Dems. Again 12 years vs 4. Nearly all of the catastrophic homelessness exists in Big Blue Cities. At the Federal level, progressive policies provide no real deterrent to address the "tent city" epidemic. Sanctuary city laws keep their hands tied, but there is no political will to make changes regardless. The open Biden border does 2 things. It fuels the fentanyl supply addiction that creates a lot of homeless. AND the illegal invasion puts a massive burden on housing availability. Trump WILL reverse this. R's win going away here.

6- Government spending? This is an absolute National Tragedy. Both sides to blame for sure. The corrupt Republican establishment uses a constant campaign of cutting Federal spending, but politically does the exact opposite. Let's see if DOGE has any teeth. It will be painful for the bloated Federal Bureaucracies, but if it does start slashing.....R's win BIG!

7- Education? My God man. You can try and pin this decades long battle to the bottom on Republicans, but the Democrat party, their hardened and corrupt allies in the DOE/Teachers Unions OWN this one. Federal control/oversight of the Public School Systems has yielded catastrophic results....zero debate here. Solution? Eliminate Federal involvement and return responsibility to the States. Pass long held Republican goals of channeling a vast % of Education dollars to voucher programs and let the FREE MARKET do it's thing. Winner, in theory, R's big-time!

That's only your 7. Good list, but my top concerns are not really among them....I will post something later about that. Maybe you can get out of character and respond proportionally when I do.

So, as predicted, Ville had virtually nothing to say in response to you. Moreover, he clearly shows that he doesn't really have a grasp of the issues. (no wonder! LOL)

He wants us to explain to him the complete history of several complex issues on a message board, but provides a simplistic answer that's not only based in fiction, but sounds like something a 6th grader would provide as an answer.

Dude is lazy as all hell...

[Xville]

So, as predicted, Ville had virtually nothing to say in response to you. Moreover, he clearly shows that he doesn't really have a grasp of the issues. (no wonder! LOL)

He wants us to explain to him the complete history of several complex issues on a message board, but provides a simplistic answer that's not only based in fiction, but sounds like something a 6th grader would provide as an answer.

Dude is lazy as all hell...

“Lazy as all hell” ——says the guy who wouldn’t even answer the question because he doesn’t know how to answer for the fears I’ve already stated. Just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself. Earlier you said this was child’s play, now you say they are complex issues. Which is it lou? I thought you had core principles and strong convictions. Hmm guess not with all your flip flopping around.

Btw this was a conversation between me and xup. Yet, you can’t help yourself…look at me, look at me! You need attention that bad, loser?

[XU_Lou]

“Lazy as all hell” ——says the guy who wouldn’t even answer the question because he doesn’t know how to answer for the fears I’ve already stated. Just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself. Earlier you said this was child’s play, now you say they are complex issues. Which is it lou? I thought you had core principles and strong convictions. Hmm guess not with all your flip flopping around.

Btw this was a conversation between me and xup. Yet, you can’t help yourself…look at me, look at me! You need attention that bad, loser?

You lost your privilege to debate me a long time ago, simpleton.

[Xville]

You lost your privilege to debate me a long time ago, simpleton.

lol you have zero clue how to debate, get over yourself . It’s evident with every single interaction with anyone that thinks differently than you. Need present evidence? Arizona proved it yet again.

So which is it lou, it it child’s play or is it complex? Lol

I can have a conversation with anyone lol. Keep talking dumbass

[Strange Brew]

Thanks. I didn’t ask you to say anything about what dems have or will do with any of the 7 issues, so not sure why you added it. It’s not what I asked.

In regards to what you state about the right, it’s clear that you don’t believe they have done much if at all with any of these issues either, which is my point all along. Yes dems have held the presidency in recent years, but 1.) these are problems that have existed way longer than 16 years and 2.) congress has been controlled by both dems and republicans pretty equally over the last 40 or so years so each side is plenty culpable and have had plenty of chances. Again, this is my point.

You could add the overall economy as an 8th point. The middle class that drives everything forward has been lagging further and further behind since the 60s. Rs and ds both are complete failures in this regard as well. Back in the 50s-60s, one parent could work, while the other raised children and you could live a pretty damn comfortable life, complete with a pension by retirement age. Nowadays, two people work their ass off and you better be making pretty damn good money if you have more than one kid to be middle class.

The last 40s years is interesting when your argument goes back 60+ years.

On Healthcare, much of the current mess goes back to wage controls and HMOs. Both Dem policies. I’ll let you research it yourself and figure it out.

Based on your timeline we could discuss “The Great Society” programs and the economic/cultural impacts on the middle class.

[bjf123]

1- I am not crazy about Obamacare. Only because it is the beginning of a ONE PAYER GOVERNMENT system. The "like your doctor, keep your doctor" lie and the expected savings makes it a Dem failure for me, but it's is working for some.

I’m afraid we might eventually have to go to a one payer government system. Our current system is not sustainable. It’s gotten way too expensive to get medical care, including prescriptions. We’re paying way more than most first world nations, especially when it comes to prescriptions. I think a major part of that is the governments of the other nations negotiate lower prices and the pharmaceutical companies make it up by overcharging in the US. Unfortunately, I think the only way to stop that is for the government to play hardball and negotiate similar prices here for everyone. The only way to do that is with a single payer system, which I’m sure our government would colossally screw up.


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