Politics Thread

[Xville]

Gross. Trump sucks, but when the alternative is Biden I'm sure as hell not giving out compliments to people working to keep third parties off the ballot. Those people can fuck right off. Honestly, these people are terrible enough I might actually vote for Trump. I don't want to, but if you're going to take away the palatable alternatives, here we are. At least with Trump we got Kavanaugh and ACB.

There are plenty of Republican candidates that I could stomach. If they all weren’t a bunch of pussies, we wouldn’t be in the position of voting trump v Biden. I guess it could still change and it won’t be those two, but highly unlikely.

[bobbiemcgee]

A Kennedy with integrity. That’s funny

He thinks the CIA killed his Dad and Uncle.

[noteggs]

This is pretty spot on. Even though it’s from the Bee.

Not a Trump fan, but funny.

https://x.com/thebabylonbee/status/1...shJKowj_nNzfHg

[GoMuskies]

A couple of interesting tidbits from a political newsletter I get. First, on the Republican side:

Two recent polls have shown the New Hampshire Republican primary getting closer. The American Research Group survey (12/17-20; 1,100 NH adults; 990 NH registered voters) finds former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley pulling to within a 33-29% split with former President Donald Trump.

Another poll, this from St. Anselm College (12/18-19; 1,711 NH likely voters; online), sees Mr. Trump posting 44% support while Ms. Haley trails at 30% and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie follows with 12%.

I'm starting to get a bit hopeful that the Haley momentum is real and can keep coming for another few months. Maybe she actually has a shot?

And then this on the national side. Shows why the absolute fucking hacks on the Democrat side are throwing a tantrum and threatening to try and destroy third party candidates. God I hope it backfires on those assholes.

Originally when Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. had announced as an Independent for President, the subsequent early polls found him taking slightly more support from Donald Trump than President Biden. Recently, that trend has reversed. The new Harvard University national survey that The Harris Poll and HarrisX conducted (12/13-14; 2,034 US registered voters; online) is now more typical. They find Mr. Kennedy and the other minor party/ independent candidates apparently securing more support from President Biden than his future general election opponent.

In the isolated Biden-Trump ballot test, Mr. Trump would lead 52-48%. Adding just Mr. Kennedy, the Trump advantage expands to 44-36-20%. A third ballot test, that included Messrs. Biden, Trump, Kennedy, independent Dr. Cornel West, and likely Green Party nominee Jill Stein, saw a 43-35-17-2-2% division


Here's an idea: if your candidate is awful, find another candidate.

[Xville]

A couple of interesting tidbits from a political newsletter I get. First, on the Republican side:

Two recent polls have shown the New Hampshire Republican primary getting closer. The American Research Group survey (12/17-20; 1,100 NH adults; 990 NH registered voters) finds former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley pulling to within a 33-29% split with former President Donald Trump.

Another poll, this from St. Anselm College (12/18-19; 1,711 NH likely voters; online), sees Mr. Trump posting 44% support while Ms. Haley trails at 30% and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie follows with 12%.

I'm starting to get a bit hopeful that the Haley momentum is real and can keep coming for another few months. Maybe she actually has a shot?

And then this on the national side. Shows why the absolute fucking hacks on the Democrat side are throwing a tantrum and threatening to try and destroy third party candidates. God I hope it backfires on those assholes.

Originally when Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. had announced as an Independent for President, the subsequent early polls found him taking slightly more support from Donald Trump than President Biden. Recently, that trend has reversed. The new Harvard University national survey that The Harris Poll and HarrisX conducted (12/13-14; 2,034 US registered voters; online) is now more typical. They find Mr. Kennedy and the other minor party/ independent candidates apparently securing more support from President Biden than his future general election opponent.

In the isolated Biden-Trump ballot test, Mr. Trump would lead 52-48%. Adding just Mr. Kennedy, the Trump advantage expands to 44-36-20%. A third ballot test, that included Messrs. Biden, Trump, Kennedy, independent Dr. Cornel West, and likely Green Party nominee Jill Stein, saw a 43-35-17-2-2% division


Here's an idea: if your candidate is awful, find another candidate.

Christie really needs to get out of the race. He’s causing a problem right now because he’s taking part of the moderate Republican vote. If he quits soon, Haley could have a shot at least in nh and then maybe momentum will increase even more.

[GoMuskies]

Christie and DeSantis should both get out and endorse Haley. The only chance was to have one strong anti-Trump candidate, and they have all had 6 months to fight it out and decide who it was going to be. Haley has clearly emerged as the winner of that race, and the others need to get out of the way and support her.

[paulxu]

That reminds me of how 3rd parties can disrupt results.
Trump lost Georgia by about 12,000 votes.
The Libertarian candidate had 62,000 votes.

[GoMuskies]

Good. The voters preferred the Libertarian candidates. So that's who they voted for. The voters voted for their preferred candidates and the votes were tallied. That's not "disrupting results". That's democracy.

The two shitty parties shouldn't get to have a monopoly on the process. We shouldn't let them. Them convincing people that voting for their preferred candidates is "disrupting results" is part of how they keep their monopoly. Go ahead and keep falling for that bullshit and then be shocked when Donald Trump or Joe Biden is our President.

[paulxu]

Agree, I used bad choice of words. "Affecting results" would have been much better.
We have essentially a two party system with the electoral college.
If we were a true multi-party situation, then we'd have more parties in the government, and would have to generate coalitions to seat the leader.

[STL_XUfan]

Christie and DeSantis should both get out and endorse Haley. The only chance was to have one strong anti-Trump candidate, and they have all had 6 months to fight it out and decide who it was going to be. Haley has clearly emerged as the winner of that race, and the others need to get out of the way and support her.

There is some polling data that if DeSantis pulls out prior to New Hampshire that would actually help Trump as more DeSantis voters would go back to Trump rather than support Haley.