Covid-19

[XU_Lou]

Says the guy who spends time digging up old quotes from a person on a message board. You’re funny lyin lou

Do you feel better now, "Mr. low self esteem"?

[Xville]

Dude - believe whatever you want - I could care less. The two assertions I've recently made are not mutually exclusive, and could very well both be true. Just because you don't want to believe they aren't true doesn't mean they can't be. At least I provide studies and data to back up my assertions. You and XU82, on the other hand, continue to believe people who have consistently lied to you:

1) That Covid does not spread during BLM riots
2) That illegals do not spread Covid
3) There are literally hundreds of examples of pro-lockdown, pro-mask politicians and media people who have been busted not following their own rules, regulations and postulations.
4) Covid is demonstrably not a risk for young and healthy people, though the media and politicians would have you believe that they are just as much at risk as an 85YO with heart disease. Are young and healthy people dying of Covid? Of course, but at rates no more than the seasonal flu.

Here is what you don’t seem to grasp because you are either too stupid or think everyone is as extreme as you are. When someone doesn’t believe your nonsense, it doesn’t mean they believe the extreme opposite of you either. You continually like to put people in separate buckets or black and white because you lack the emotional intelligence to understand otherwise. Most people understand that life doesn’t work in black and white past the age of 8 or 9. However you view the world much like my five year olds. I’ll pray for you.

[Strange Brew]

Here is what you don’t seem to grasp because you are either too stupid or think everyone is as extreme as you are. When someone doesn’t believe your nonsense, it doesn’t mean they believe the extreme opposite of you either. You continually like to put people in separate buckets or black and white because you lack the emotional intelligence to understand otherwise. Most people understand that life doesn’t work in black and white past the age of 8 or 9. However you view the world much like my five year olds. I’ll pray for you.

I’m not sure HE’S the one doing that…

[XU_Lou]

Well, my reply to 94GRAD caused a lot of indigestion yesterday. Since it may have gotten lost in all the nonsense that ensued, I thought I would repost it since no one was able to deny or refute any of my assertions:

Do you think people with all these comorbidities would be dying at the same rate if they didn't catch Covid?

Roughly 39% of the people who have died in the US were in nursing homes (thru 1/21-see link below / Pandemia reports this number to be 35%). Statistically, they only had months to live anyway - in fact, a 2010 study found that 53% of nursing home residents die within 6 months of being admitted.

* In testimony to the British Parliament in 2020, Neil Ferguson estimated that 50-66% of all Covid deaths might occur in people who would've died within 9 months anyway because of their age and their comorbidities.

* In Sept 2020, the largest funeral home operator in the US (Service Corp International), reported that roughly 1/3 of all funerals of people who died of Covid would've died in 2020 anyway, and another 1/3 or more would've died in 2021 anyway.

* According to Pandemia, more than 100,000 Covid victims had dementia, Alzheimer's or cancer when they died (thru the spring of 2021). The author points out the dilemma of distinguishing between dying WITH Covid versus dying OF Covid in these instances. The CDC told hospitals to err on the side of counting those deaths as dying OF Covid.

https://ltccovid.org/wp-content/uplo...bruary-1-2.pdf


Per the CDC, 26.2% of all deaths were >85 years old. Another 25.7% were between 75 and 84.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

You should read the "How Deadly" chapter in Pandemia to find out how the CDC changed the coding procedures that allowed Covid to be listed as the primary reason for deaths on death certificates, such as the 100,000+ figures stated above.

The truth shall set you free....

[94GRAD]

Roughly 39% of the people who have died in the US were in nursing homes (thru 1/21-see link below / Pandemia reports this number to be 35%). Statistically, they only had months to live anyway - in fact, a 2010 study found that 53% of nursing home residents die within 6 months of being admitted.

* In testimony to the British Parliament in 2020, Neil Ferguson estimated that 50-66% of all Covid deaths might occur in people who would've died within 9 months anyway because of their age and their comorbidities.

* In Sept 2020, the largest funeral home operator in the US (Service Corp International), reported that roughly 1/3 of all funerals of people who died of Covid would've died in 2020 anyway, and another 1/3 or more would've died in 2021 anyway.

* According to Pandemia, more than 100,000 Covid victims had dementia, Alzheimer's or cancer when they died (thru the spring of 2021). The author points out the dilemma of distinguishing between dying WITH Covid versus dying OF Covid in these instances. The CDC told hospitals to err on the side of counting those deaths as dying OF Covid

https://ltccovid.org/wp-content/uplo...bruary-1-2.pdf


Per the CDC, 26.2% of all deaths were >85 years old. Another 25.7% were between 75 and 84.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

You should read the "How Deadly" chapter in Pandemia to find out how the CDC changed the coding procedures that allowed Covid to be listed as the primary reason for deaths on death certificates, such as the 100,000+ figures stated above.

So 61% of the deaths were not expected?
Might have died? Does that mean 50-66% might not have died?
So 48.1 of deaths were under 74, what are the odds they would still be alive if they didn't catch Covid?

I just don't understand how you think all these deaths aren't in one way shape or form because of a deadly virus.

[XU_Lou]

So 61% of the deaths were not expected?
Might have died? Does that mean 50-66% might not have died?
So 48.1 of deaths were under 74, what are the odds they would still be alive if they didn't catch Covid?

I just don't understand how you think all these deaths aren't in one way shape or form because of a deadly virus.

I think you're missing my point. Yes, the virus is deadly for people who are old and/or those with comorbidities. It is NOT deadly for the young and healthy. The over-reaction and the hysteria that everyone is in danger is what I'm speaking out against. It's a freaking joke that we are allowing ourselves to be controlled by fearmongering politicians and members of the media who have clearly been lying about every aspect of this pandemic (see post #6841 for just a handful of examples).

The vast majority of people who have died are already near death for one reason or another, have one or more comorbidities, or are obese. Nearly every child who died WITH Covid had comorbidities. Do your own research - don't rely on me, or what the media reports and what they would have you believe. Look at the data published on the CDC/NIH website and through the various published studies. Compare the death rates for the various age categories for Covid versus the last several flu seasons (prior to 2020).

For example, I just found this on the NIH website:

"92.8% of the COVID-19 deaths were associated with a pre-existing comorbidity."

"The risk of mortality associated with at least one comorbidity combined was 1113 times higher than that with no comorbidity."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449622/

Check out Table 3: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm


And again, I would encourage you to read Pandemia to see how the numbers have been manipulated (coding at the hospital level) to ramp up the fear factor.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was going to post an update on monoclonals and treatment updates but didn’t want to interfere with the very enjoyable posts on how few deaths are actually related to covid. Blows my mind that is an actual thought in a human brain which supports my Russian bot theory. Anyways….

In NE Ohio we are almost exclusively seeing Omicron variant as of this week (which is insane) and nationwide probably pretty close to following suit. If your exposure is omicron (likely) I would hope you are getting sotrovimab as it is the only mab with activity against the omicron variant. If it’s Regeneron or Lilly I don’t want to say it’s useless as there is some lingering delta but here is the updated data on what we are using and it’s in vitro activity:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...12.15.472828v1

Sounds like you are in post exposure prophylaxis stages due to your immunocompromised state and sotrovimab is not indicated for this I don’t think, so it’s something to consider between now and Monday. If you haven’t tested positive it’s worth doing daily testing to generate that indication for treatment vs PEP. Again I may be making assumptions that aren’t true but worth mentioning.

I am scheduled for Sunday and I am getting sotrovimab.

I will obviously ask my own docs this, but do you know if once I get this infusion, if it protects me, not only for this recent exposure, but into the future for a certain amount of time?

[bjf123]

I am scheduled for Sunday and I am getting sotrovimab.

I will obviously ask my own docs this, but do you know if once I get this infusion, if it protects me, not only for this recent exposure, but into the future for a certain amount of time?

My wife was scheduled for a booster shot when she got Covid and her doctor sent her for the infusion. She asked about still getting the booster and was told absolutely not. The infusion was essentially a super booster. She was told to wait at least 90 days before thinking about getting a booster.


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[Lloyd Braun]

I am scheduled for Sunday and I am getting sotrovimab.

I will obviously ask my own docs this, but do you know if once I get this infusion, if it protects me, not only for this recent exposure, but into the future for a certain amount of time?

The half life is about 50 days from what I recall, which is longer than Regeneron. If you are asking because of timing with Evusheld, I would think anywhere from 4-16 weeks would be appropriate. If you were to get it sooner though I don’t think it would be harmful. I’m curious to see what your specialist say though.

[boozehound]

This thread has some serious range. Simultaneous conversations of medical professionals dispensing advice to other forum members, and complete fools ranting and raving misinformation about COVID deaths.