Covid-19

[principal]

Israel is now the world's Covid hotspot: Cases soar despite country's trail-blazing vaccine roll-out - sparking fears other highly-vaccinated countries will be hit by another wave due to jabs' waning immunity

* Israel recorded 1,892 cases per million people on Wednesday — nearly 0.2% of entire population in single day
* Despite being one of the most vaccinated nations in world, country is in midst of an unprecedented new wave
* Fears Britain could now follow suit has led to growing calls for a mass booster vaccine rollout this winter

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...yesterday.html

This is a sincere question as you should know from my post history on this topic. What do the hospitalization and death numbers look like in Israel? Are they on the rise as well? So far it seems the vaccines reduce hospitalization and deaths, even if they don’t prevent infection and spread (at least of the Delta variant). If those numbers start to move up, yikes!

[Lloyd Braun]

This is a sincere question as you should know from my post history on this topic. What do the hospitalization and death numbers look like in Israel? Are they on the rise as well? So far it seems the vaccines reduce hospitalization and deaths, even if they don’t prevent infection and spread (at least of the Delta variant). If those numbers start to move up, yikes!

The vaccine does appear prevent infections and transmission with Delta, especially with a booster:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...79v1.full-text

[XU_Lou]

This is a sincere question as you should know from my post history on this topic. What do the hospitalization and death numbers look like in Israel? Are they on the rise as well? So far it seems the vaccines reduce hospitalization and deaths, even if they don’t prevent infection and spread (at least of the Delta variant). If those numbers start to move up, yikes!

Principal - here's what I was able to find:

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-c...tories/israel/

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...al?country=ISR

https://www.gov.il/en/departments/gu...rmation-corona

[principal]

Principal - here's what I was able to find:

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-c...tories/israel/

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...al?country=ISR

https://www.gov.il/en/departments/gu...rmation-corona

It looks like hospitalizations and deaths are up, not to the same levels as the last wave, but up. Thank you for the info.

[XU_Lou]

The CDC 4+ decades later - has anything changed? Are there lessons we didn't learn?

"This is a report done by Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes in 1979 about the rushed-to-market Swine Flu vaccine of 1976, and shows how the CDC cannot be trusted for truthful vaccine information.

They lied to the American people, resulting in hundreds of people suffering from neurological disorders like Guillain–Barré syndrome who tried to sue the government for damages. More people died from the vaccine than from the Swine Flu. The vaccine was pulled from the market.

Not only did the CDC approve this vaccine without even valid testing proving that the Swine Flu existed, they ran media campaigns claiming many famous people took the shot.

One of them, Mary Tyler Moore, is interviewed by Wallace and she stated that she never took the shot even though CDC propaganda advertising said she did. She had serious doubts about the shot, and even rejected her doctor's advice to get it, which he later allegedly told her he was glad she did not take his advice once all the information about the experimental shots were known."

I highly encourage you all to watch this:

https://rumble.com/vm4p8h-1976-swine...gers-and-.html

[principal]

The CDC 4+ decades later - has anything changed? Are there lessons we didn't learn?

"This is a report done by Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes in 1979 about the rushed-to-market Swine Flu vaccine of 1976, and shows how the CDC cannot be trusted for truthful vaccine information.

They lied to the American people, resulting in hundreds of people suffering from neurological disorders like Guillain–Barré syndrome who tried to sue the government for damages. More people died from the vaccine than from the Swine Flu. The vaccine was pulled from the market.

Not only did the CDC approve this vaccine without even valid testing proving that the Swine Flu existed, they ran media campaigns claiming many famous people took the shot.

One of them, Mary Tyler Moore, is interviewed by Wallace and she stated that she never took the shot even though CDC propaganda advertising said she did. She had serious doubts about the shot, and even rejected her doctor's advice to get it, which he later allegedly told her he was glad she did not take his advice once all the information about the experimental shots were known."

I highly encourage you all to watch this:

https://rumble.com/vm4p8h-1976-swine...gers-and-.html

Public reps for the info, thank you.

[Xville]

To the anti-covid vaccine crusaders:

The virus is still out there and will continue to mutate due to you... the virus has an opportunity to replicate because there are large amounts of susceptible hosts (non-vaxxers).

[boozehound]

And yet once again we find ourselves in the dumbest debate, a bunch of people on either side arguing about an off label use of a drug none us knew about 14 days ago. If it could work, great, study it properly and let's find out. The medical people in my life all seem of one mind that the science behind it doesn't make sense as a treatment. I am going to side with them at this point, cause if I knew shit about science I might have done something useful with my life. I also trust them to change their mind if proper data comes out that it could work, cause each and everyone of them is desperate at this point for anything that will provide them any sort of relief.

However, a bunch of non-medical people out there pushing it as a miracle cure is stupidly dangerous, especially when it is a drug that can be picked up at a feed store. Why this was first reported by any news outlet, and why the controversy is now getting so much oxygen by the news is just dangerous. It only further sows disinformation and leads us into these type of stupid debates.

I do find it somewhat ironic that the same people that are anti-vax cause it hasn't been studied enough, have no problem not only jumping on the bandwagon of off label untested remedies like HCQ and Ivermectin, but become the biggest cheerleaders.

Pretty much, yeah. It's human nature. During the Black Plague people tried all sorts of things to ward off the virus. The flagellants went from town to town beating themselves bloody in an effort to appease the vengeful God that they believe inflicted the Plague upon them. We are in a situation that feels out of our control, so we look for ways to control it. Some choose to do so with vaccines and masks, other choose Ivermectin and HCQ. Others choose to deny the premise by downplaying the severity of the virus (that happened during the plague, too).

Personally, I'm going to go with the opinion of the scientific community since I believe that to be the most likely scenario to be correct based on past events. Others choose differently.

[Muskie in dayton]

Pretty much, yeah. It's human nature. During the Black Plague people tried all sorts of things to ward off the virus. The flagellants went from town to town beating themselves bloody in an effort to appease the vengeful God that they believe inflicted the Plague upon them. We are in a situation that feels out of our control, so we look for ways to control it. Some choose to do so with vaccines and masks, other choose Ivermectin and HCQ. Others choose to deny the premise by downplaying the severity of the virus (that happened during the plague, too).

Personally, I'm going to go with the opinion of the scientific community since I believe that to be the most likely scenario to be correct based on past events. Others choose differently.

Glad you’ve come around. The scientific community knows a lot more than the media and politicians.

[Muskie in dayton]

Well it looks like everyone in Florida and the rest of the Deep South has radically changed their behaviors in the last couple weeks, as daily cases and hospitalizations have been plummeting. Or, it could be that seasonality thing…

Buckle up friends in the Northeast and Midwest. Enjoy your mini preview right now, because it’s gonna get rough in a couple months.