Covid-19

XU_Lou · 07-16-2021, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Seems like everyone who has died recently were unvaxxed. New cases back up to 25k a day, 1,000 an hour. it ain't over.

No not the hyperbolic headline...nice try... What's the source of "Seems like everyone who has died recently were unvaxxed"

**bobbiemcgee** · 07-16-2021, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Smails

Is it your position that everyone who decides that the vaccine is not the right choice for them is dumb?

Pretty much, unless you have a medical reason not to. Consult your primary care doc. Why take the chance of dying or spreading it to your kids.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/enrique...h=566f10a050a1

totally preventable now.

**bobbiemcgee** · 07-16-2021, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by XU_Lou

No not the hyperbolic headline...nice try... What's the source of "Seems like everyone who has died recently were unvaxxed"

99% are unvaccinated:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...6e7354f5d5e187

Xville · 07-16-2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Here's the deal for those who say it's over - it's not! That's why we continue to debate this. Masks have just been been mandated again in LA. There are mandates across the country/world for vaccines. MID is absolutely right: "everyone’s risks are different based on age, health and prior infection". That's the point! Don't tell me or anyone else what to do. It's my freaking choice!

Why do we skeptics have to rely on "unapproved sources per XVille" is because the mainstream media is completely in bed with the government. They're not telling you the whole story. How can we trust the government when they continually lie about this pandemic. Why have they never recognized previously infected people as being immune? Why do they continue to say that children are at risk, and need to wear masks in schools or be vaxxed? These are demonstrable lies! There are many others that leave us skeptics no reason to trust anything they say.

Why has the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections? What are they hiding? Is it that maybe the vaccines aren't quite as effective as they led us to believe?

Here's the latest official stats from Public Health England. As I posted yesterday, the UK is experiencing a major spike in cases - despite being the most vaccinated country on Earth. 90% of the citizens have had at least one jab. The data below compares fully vaxxed versus unvaccinated people who have acquired the Delta variant in England:

Fully Vaxxed / Unvaxxed

Cases: 10,834 / 71,932
Emergency Care Needed: 641 / 3566
Deaths: 118 / 92
Emer Care Rate: 5.9% / 5.0%
Deaths per Cases: 1.1% / 0.1%
Deaths per Hosp: 18.4% / 2.6%

Source: https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_18.pdf

As I've made clear many times in the past, the proper response should've been to protect the vulnerable populations. If they, or anyone else feels the need to wear masks, socially distance, avoid the public or get vaccinated, by all means, please do so. But don't tell me to wear a useless mask, shut my business down or force me to lockdown or make me take a jab (via passports). That's the point I, MID, Strange Brew and other have been trying to make all along. If none of these actions were mandated, and the CDC provided complete data that people can use to make more informed decisions, I wouldn't be here complaining.

So many lies and misleading statements in these few paragraphs it’s astounding.

XU_Lou · 07-16-2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Xville

So many lies and misleading statements in these few paragraphs it’s astounding.

Please, by all means, enlighten us all Carnac...

XU_Lou · 07-16-2021, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

99% are unvaccinated:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...6e7354f5d5e187

Funny, because the CDC announced back in May: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...parks-concerns

So where/how did the AP get that data?

And why don't those number jive with Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=6c7868e46993

Xville · 07-16-2021, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Please, by all means, enlighten us all Carnac...

Well your numbers and the source don’t match, but otherwise No thanks…it is people like yourself with your tin foil hat that has caused these variants to come to light and be an issue in some countries in the first place. I know you don’t believe that, but you have demonstrated time and time again you don’t understand herd immunity thru exposure or thru vaccine,or how vaccines actually work. You also make definitive statements based on your opinion which is certainly entertaining but just completely wrong.

**bobbiemcgee** · 07-16-2021, 01:28 PM

CDC. Did you even read the article?

"The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

XU_Lou · 07-16-2021, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Xville

Well your numbers and the source don’t match, but otherwise No thanks…it is people like yourself with your tin foil hat that has caused these variants to come to light and be an issue in some countries in the first place. I know you don’t believe that, but you have demonstrated time and time again you don’t understand herd immunity thru exposure or thru vaccine,or how vaccines actually work. You also make definitive statements based on your opinion which is certainly entertaining but just completely wrong.

Really? I guess you don't know how to read data. Sad...

Your so predictable - your just like the dog I pass on my bike everyday...