Politics Thread

[boozehound]

Can't speak to Fox, but it was a front-page story on WSJ.

I must have missed that. I'm a subscriber (online only) and probably check it several times a day, so it might not have been up super long. In general WSJ is my preferred news source these days, although I read WaPo as well.

This seems (to me) like a 'stop the presses' kind of big deal, that I would expect to dominate the news cycle. I get that Trump has done so much crazy shit to date that it dulls the impact of something like this, but if you consider it in a vacuum (i.e. what if George W Bush had done this, for example) it seems like something that all Americans should be pretty outraged about.

[bjf123]

The outgoing President just asked the SOS of Georgia to find votes for him. So on the politics front I can see how this is really important right now.

The point I’m trying to make, apparently without much success, is that this is the kind of politically correct BS we can look forward to having shoved down our throats for at least the next two years. Where does it end?

As to the call with GA, did Trump ask him to create illegal votes, or find uncounted legally cast votes? Big difference.


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[paulxu]

As to the call with GA, did Trump ask him to create illegal votes, or find uncounted legally cast votes? Big difference.
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That's a fair question. But as they had counted, re-counted, and then re-counted again all the votes they had...the answer leans more to the former than the latter.

Also, asking someone to "recalculate" sounds more like fixing than finding.

[boozehound]

The point I’m trying to make, apparently without much success, is that this is the kind of politically correct BS we can look forward to having shoved down our throats for at least the next two years. Where does it end?

As to the call with GA, did Trump ask him to create illegal votes, or find uncounted legally cast votes? Big difference.


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Who cares, though? How is it being shoved down your throat? Some dude said some ridiculous shit at a meeting you weren't at. It really has no consequence other than just being stupid. The only person shoving it down your throat in this case would seem to be the NY Post, otherwise you wouldn't even know about it.

I just want to make sure I'm keeping score accurately here. You are very worried about having 'politically correct BS shoved down your throat' for the next two years, but seemingly way less worried about Trump's batshit crazy phone call so long as trump didn't specifically ask him to 'create illegal votes'? Big difference? Are you actually seriously drawing that distinction?

That phone call was a complete mess for so many reasons. First of all, you had the President calling a state official to try to change the results. After they had been counted several times. And adjudicated in the courts. Should this just the the new normal? What happens next election? Does this road lead us to a place we really want to go as a Nation?

Share with me your interpretation of that call that doesn't make it a flagrant abuse of power (at best).

[boozehound]

That's a fair question. But as they had counted, re-counted, and then re-counted again all the votes they had...the answer leans more to the former than the latter.

Also, asking someone to "recalculate" sounds more like fixing than finding.

I don't really think it is a fair question. I think it's a spurious distinction drawn to avoid having to face the reality of who Trump is and what he is doing. The fact that he is even having the call at this point after the results have been repeatedly tallied and investigated is a big problem. The only evidence they have is that 'lots of people believe there was fraud'. No shit. You spent the last 3 months convincing them of that.

If our standard for something like that being improper is that he literally has to say "I, Donald J Trump, hereby ask you to create illegal ballots", then we are super duper fucked as a Nation. At this point, even if the tape had contained that exact verbiage I'm sure he would just just been joking or something.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

[X-band '01]

So when is Trump going to start appointing cabinet members for his "second" term?

I am looking forward to seeing some quack offering him the oath of office and an Inaugural Address in front of Proud Boys. After all, he won!

[STL_XUfan]

I must have missed that. I'm a subscriber (online only) and probably check it several times a day, so it might not have been up super long. In general WSJ is my preferred news source these days, although I read WaPo as well.

This seems (to me) like a 'stop the presses' kind of big deal, that I would expect to dominate the news cycle. I get that Trump has done so much crazy shit to date that it dulls the impact of something like this, but if you consider it in a vacuum (i.e. what if George W Bush had done this, for example) it seems like something that all Americans should be pretty outraged about.

I do love how our minds work, the fact that this was a leaked phone call makes it seems way more incriminating, when he is saying the exact same illegal crap on twitter. We have developed some sort of weird immunity that if you announce your crimes publicly then they cannot be crimes.

I have begun to reference Trump as the Nelly president because he "is just kidding like jason, unless you gonna do it."

[boozehound]

I do love how our minds work, the fact that this was a leaked phone call makes it seems way more incriminating, when he is saying the exact same illegal crap on twitter. We have developed some sort of weird immunity that if you announce your crimes publicly then they cannot be crimes.

I have begun to reference Trump as the Nelly president because he "is just kidding like jason, unless you gonna do it."

It's the craziest / stupidest collection of events I have ever seen, and is basically a cult at this point. Just try to imagine any prior President doing this. You can't, and if they did I'm sure there would have been widespread condemnation.

I can't see conservatives supporting George Bush, for example, if he tried to pull this shit.

[Masterofreality]

Suggesting someone might be criminally liable as you pressure him to "find" votes in counts that have been done three times...is probably not something you would think a president should do.
Especially if that pressure violates existing laws on election interference.
But...reasons.

Not that expect any critics would actually listen, but if you want, here is the Georgia election official debunking Trump's claims, one by one. And this guy is going to vote Republican and is encouraged others to do the same. But he's apparently had enough of the lies and bullshit the president continues to spew...and conned people continue to believe.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ms-sot-vpx.cnn

MOR is a lost cause. Time to put him on "Ignore".

Uh, yeah. A report on CNN that interviews a Georgia Election official that, of course, will defend to the hilt their vote counting procedure, since his job would be on the line if it was inadequate? Verrrrrry believeable. This from the same Network that flatly claimed that Trump saying a vaccine for Corona would be available by year's end was 'A Lie" and the same network that actively ignored Antifa Riots in Portland until Milquetoast Wheeler finally turned tail and admittted that Leftist Anarchists and Antifa were the cause. CNN has torched any credibility they have, but yeah Chris Cuomo. Just keep propping your brother who has done a miserable job in handling the virus in New York and now he's fiddling with vaccination distribution.

How about rather than just dumping on Trump, although I think his arguments have little merit, the MSM actually does their job and aggressively investigate whether the election was handled correctly like they did when Abrams lost? A double standard much? 50% of the American public believes that the election had major problems. That is half the country. It would seem that the media would want to try to investigate to calm fears rather than stirring up crap for ratings. But, nah.

And good. Just ignore me while your country is going to hell in a handbasket. Pray to God that either Purdue or Loeffler wins today. Or you will reap the chaos you sow. PLEASE ignore me so I don't have to answer your cheap shot crap.

[bobbiemcgee]

Glad to get rid of trump and his minions. Consider the openings on every news broadcast (except for the no news just radical conspriracy theories opinions ) for the last 4+ years.
trump today said "blah, blah, blah..."
Announcer; "Of course, after checking all the facts, we would have to say the he is not telling the truth...."