Politics Thread

[Juice]

Yes this is from National Review but I think it puts this all in better perspective: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-fact-hysteria

And here is every terror attack or plot since 9/11: http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/10/a-...ots-since-911/

[vee4xu]

This is perspective to my point:

And if the ban was aimed at stopping terrorism, it was oddly off target. It curiously excluded the home countries of the 9/11 hijackers: Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Since 1990, of the 182 radical Islamic terrorists who plotted attacks in the United States or on inbound airplanes, just two of them entered the U.S. as refugees.

[Caf]

When Obama suspended refugee Iraqis from entering in 2011 it was because a few potential terrorists were caught before they could do any damage. But they entered using the Iraqi refugee process. http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/...onths-in-2011/

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qae...ry?id=20931131

Hitler

Apples and oranges the size of planets. The enormous difference is the language saying the ban does not apply to minority religions in muslim countries. That's a muslim ban, no matter how you cut it. I'd really love to see evidence to the contrary.

Also, why make arguments like this?:

I don't agree with this move by Trump but let's not pretend he's the only president who has limited refugees/immigrants.

Great. Who the hell cares? Who is pretending he's the only President who has limited refugees/immigrants? Or are X-man and other posters secretly Bill Clinton and Barack Obama? Because that's the only way this statement has any relevancy.

[Juice]

Apples and oranges the size of planets. The enormous difference is the language saying the ban does not apply to minority religions in muslim countries. That's a muslim ban, no matter how you cut it. I'd really love to see evidence to the contrary.

Also, why make arguments like this?:

Great. Who the hell cares? Who is pretending he's the only President who has limited refugees/immigrants? Or are X-man and other posters secretly Bill Clinton and Barack Obama? Because that's the only way this statement has any relevancy.

Let me again preface that I do not support this executive order. I do not think it was written well, addressed the real issues, or was executed properly. That being said, my overall point is that a lot of what this order does is not much different than what previous presidents have done. Why didn't any march or protest when Obama changed our policy on Cuban refugees? Why didn't anyone march when Clinton said he wanted to secure our borders to keep illegal immigrants out? Also, this "ban" is only 120 days. I think 99% of the public thinks that it's for forever, or at least until the end of the Trump presidency. Yes those 120 days can affect a lot of lives, but people need to educate themselves before they act like they know what's going on. My overall point is that this man who they call a fascist or a Nazi is doing a lot of things that prior presidents did and no one said shit.

[Juice]

jeremy scahill ‏@jeremyscahill
Many liberals slept while Obama expanded watchlisting and violating of rights at airports. @ACLU fought it then too with little support.

jeremy scahill
‏@jeremyscahill
You may not want to hear this but when this goes to court, Trump's admin will cite not only US code, but Obama policy to defend all of this


This is another example. I agree with most of what people are protesting with all of this, but it's not consistent. People are just protesting because it's Trump and not their political god Obama.

[Juice]

In February 2016, the Obama administration added Libya, Somali and Yemen to the list of countries one could not have visited — but allowed dual citizens of those countries who had not traveled there access to the Visa Waiver Program. Dual citizens of Syria, Sudan, Iraq and Iran are still ineligible, however.
So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattves...hoose-n2278021

[Juice]

Why did Obama hate Venezuelans?

I hereby find that the unrestricted immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens determined to meet one or more of the criteria in subsection 1(a) of this order would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of such persons, except where the Secretary of State determines that the person's entry is in the national interest of the United States. This section shall not apply to an alien if admitting the alien into the United States is necessary to permit the United States to comply with the Agreement Regarding the Headquarters of the United Nations, signed at Lake Success June 26, 1947, and entered into force November 21, 1947, or other applicable international obligations.

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...n-in-venezuela

[paulxu]

This ban thing will work itself out.

I'm much more concerned about him dropping the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the Director of National Intelligence from the principles group of the National Security Council, and replacing them as standing members with Steve Bannon.

That seems crazy.

[X-man]

This ban thing will work itself out.

I'm much more concerned about him dropping the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the Director of National Intelligence from the principles group of the National Security Council, and replacing them as standing members with Steve Bannon.

That seems crazy.

I totally agree. It makes absolutely no sense given Bannon's lack of knowledge and experience.

[Strange Brew]

I totally agree. It makes absolutely no sense given Bannon's lack of knowledge and experience.

What specific knowledge and experience do you feel is missing?