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No one is sweeping this under the rug. The general overall position is that Dez did what lots of other college students have done over the years......and was held to a different standard and ultimately expelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskeagle
I know Joe Deters made a public statement at one point and basically said he found no wrong doing.
Dez filed a lawsuit and looks as though he likely got some type of compensation.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/spor...wsuit/8111709/
It wasn't a jury of peers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskeagle
Was Deters speaking as a county prosecutor? If so, he was saying there isn't sufficient evidence for a trial. If not then we need to know what he was saying (may be in article, I've not re-read it). Regardless, Deters was looking at it from a legal standpoint, not a university policy standpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by bleedXblue
This is not directed at Muskeagle's above comment:
Additionally, why do the Dez supporters refuse to even acknowledge the probation? He wasn't treated the same as who? Who are you aware of that was on probation for a televised punch to someone's head and then did what Dez did and was treated differently? You are all comparing a single offense while not on probation to a multiple offense incident while on probation. If he was on a zero tolerance probation, or something similar (as has been suggested), and he violated the probation, not only are you comparing apples and oranges but he deserved to go. It's simple:
Anyone violating the terms of a probation is expelled
Dez Wells violated the terms of a probation
Therefore Dez Wells was expelled
The only possible argument is to take issue with one of the above premises. If you don't know for sure whether or not he was on probation, what the terms were, or whether or not he violated the terms, then you have no business making definitive claims about whether or not he was mistreated, not treated like others, or was railroaded out of town. You can make all of the ad hominem arguments you like about what I would be like at a party, what I or most others do or don't do while in college, whether or not I'm speaking from an ivory tower, and whether or not pre-marital sex is objectively wrong, but all of the fallacies in the world won't change the fact that in doing so you may have made a funny but you've failed to address the argument.
If my prior statements are true, then Dez deserved to go. If you don't know whether or not they are true then your opinion should be tempered accordingly.
Principal
Edit: One correction. I was thinking Dez had thrown the first punch, which is not the case. It appears he was the first to get physical, but it was a shove and not a punch. He did end up swinging at some guys, and it appears to be aggressive as opposed to fighting someone off, but it all moves pretty quickly so it is hard to tell. Regardless, he was apparently on probation for the brawl and violated the terms. If he was not on probation or if he was and did not violate the terms, then only the condom issue remains as possible grounds for expulsion. As should be clear, if none of these things are true then he did not deserve to be expelled.
I'm glad this is all behind us. Apparently not far enough yet, but farther every day.
... and while we're at it (and because it's the weekend), I've included a link to an old "hoops" thread I stumbled upon and found rather enjoyable about "Most unpopular Xavier players" (not that Myles necessarily fits in the category).Quote:
Originally Posted by nuts4xu
http://www.xavierhoops.com/archive/i...hp/t-4676.html
Ha, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by IM4X
How about this gem:
"1. Chris Mack. No explanation necessary."
Just came across this article. Thought I'd post since this was being discussed. I dont have much of an opinion about the Dez stuff because I dont know all the details (this is the first I am hearing almost all of them) and its all a moot point now.
http://nypost.com/2017/01/13/man-con...om-during-sex/
Wow. Yeah- that one caught my eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
i think I felt pretty similar about the players you mentioned.
And there was this post:
"David West. He was soft and he got all the calls from A-10 refs because he was a crybaby.
Signed, Dayton and Richmond fans
I hope that anyone who disrespects Will Caudle gets food poisoning and vomits for 24 hours. Iron Will! What a baller!"
I was under the impression that it was a student group that enforced the expulsion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Myles Davis is back. So this thread has run its' course.
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