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    Quote Originally Posted by Xville View Post
    We are now in a dead period until the 10th because everyone wants to stop for a week for the coaches convention and the Final Four. No visits or anything so don't be alarmed if we don't hear of any more guys visiting or being contacted.

    Hopefully though we hear of some official commitments today or tomorrow. It would be nice to have 5-6 guys at the end of the week.
    I added to your post. I hope you don't mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XUGRAD80 View Post
    There are approximately 70 schools that make up the “power 4” conferences. Each is limited to 15 players for its complete roster. That’s 1,050 roster spots. But some contend that only 8-9 players per school will actually get playing time and be willing to stay. So in that scenario those school only have about 500-600 openings this year. On the other hand, probably no more than a handful of those schools can afford to pay all of those players at the upper level of the pay scale, so if a player is going to go only to who pays them the most, some of those players are going to have to look elsewhere than those P4 programs for a big payday. In addition, not many of those schools really have more than 3-4 open roster spots because they DO HAVE some returning players who aren’t moving elsewhere looking for a better pay day. So in reality there are really only about 300-400 open P4 roster spots this year. (That’s and average of 4-5 per school). MOST of the players in the portal are from NON P4 Schools, and are looking to move up. But there aren’t as many openings as there are players wanting to fill them. There are currently some 1200 players in the portal. Another several hundred are expected to enter sometime in the next 20 days.

    Bottom line….there are gong to be lots of very good players that don’t find a spot in the P4 conference schools as the schools don’t have enough openings, or enough money, to accommodate them all. Sure, they will get the very best. But hasn’t it always been that way? Xavier (and the rest of the BE) will be fine.
    Totally agree. This is why I’ve never been concerned about X and Pitino filling out a competitive roster. And while X is not at the top of the NIL we are in the upper half from what has been rumored of our fund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xubrew View Post
    I don't want to get involved in this, but the way most basketball players are built is that very few bench guys think of themselves as being bench guys. They don't go to a school knowing they will end up on the bench. They go there expecting to play (whether it's realistic or not) and end up on the bench. So, you wouldn't want to recruit anyone and tell them that their role will be to be a developmental player even if that's what you intend for them to be. They're going to be told they'll have an opportunity to compete for a key role.
    Yep this is a similar point I made in a previous post. Agreed. Now with NIL they do have a more realistic view of where they stand in the pecking order, however, no coach is going to play a guy making more than a guy making less if the guy making less has completely outplayed him and would be better for the team winning going forward. So those guys getting less and at the end of the bench still go in most times thinking I’m good enough to get into the rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z View Post
    Yep this is a similar point I made in a previous post. Agreed. Now with NIL they do have a more realistic view of where they stand in the pecking order, however, no coach is going to play a guy making more than a guy making less if the guy making less has completely outplayed him and would be better for the team winning going forward. So those guys getting less and at the end of the bench still go in most times thinking I’m good enough to get into the rotation.
    And if a guy is playing more at a major program they'll almost assuredly a way to get him more money. If someone expected to ride the bench in the Horizon League has a breakout year, then perhaps not, but if someone at any Big East school starts to break out, some donor, or sponsor, or business that has ties to the program will step up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    We almost agreed. Until you said they won’t know if they are #8 or # 13.

    They WILL know. Cause I’m willing to pay #8 100K and I’m willing to pay #13 20K.

    If I have 120k to fill out my last guy in the rotation, the LAST thing I want is 2 guys @60 each.

    This was my issue with last years team. Hugley? Why? He didn’t even fit our style of play. We had the guy lose 50 pounds and he was awful. Fletcher, Anderson and the walk ons all got money….that could have been better used elsewhere. Period.

    How much did we pay Trey Green? He didn’t make it 10 games before he quit. And make no mistake, he quit. He was exhibit A on the idea that you pay a guy to be a developmental piece. But he could even hack it for a year without bailing out. Craft used us for a year. Had a solid year at Miami and will cash in as a trophy portal guy for a decent mid major….or a rotation piece for a high major….right back where he started.

    I would spend the money on the order of what I need. As a result, out last few guys should get the least money and be the least needed. They will know when they see superior guys already signed up and we have little dollars for them.

    I kinda look at it as an MLB Baseball franchise. 95% of the money gets spent on the MLB club. 4% probably goes into AAA. The other 1% is spent on bus rides from Nowhere, Iowa to Nowhere, Wisconsin.
    Players are paid monthly. Once Sean and Trey agreed that he needed to step away, he was no longer paid.
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    Traore in the portal. Fucking great. Probably end up at Texas. This is frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xville View Post
    Traore in the portal. Fucking great. Probably end up at Texas. This is frustrating.
    Hopefully this means the two talked and upgrades are coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drudy23 View Post
    Hopefully this means the two talked and upgrades are coming.
    An upgrade over a guy that averaged a double-double? I'm very skeptical given how expensive big men are.

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    An upgrade over a guy that averaged a double-double? I'm very skeptical given how expensive big men are.
    Technically last year he averaged 0-0. It is odd timing though with waiting so long—- does make you think coach recommended him doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drudy23 View Post
    Hopefully this means the two talked and upgrades are coming.
    Or he looked at who was / wasn't coming in and decided to get out while he still could.

    I think Pitino will eventually be a good hire for Xavier, but next year could be an absolute dumpster fire.

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