Back to being a stepping stone program.

[X Factor]

We should still make dance this year. 21-10 is very possible. Should win next 5 or n paper. Lose one of those then we are prob in serious trouble

We should still make the dance? You think this team can win 5 conference games in a row?

[Xville]

We should still make the dance? You think this team can win 5 conference games in a row?

Likely no, but considering we just gave the top of our conference all they could handle, it’s not crazy

[Xavier]

Yeah….but.

Sean fell short at Arizona. That’s a top 10 program and he was there for what, 12 years? He had the players, he had the rankings, and he had the CHANCES. But for whatever reason he fell short.

I don’t think his tenure at X is turning out to be a real resume builder. His successful season came with almost exclusively steeles players. His recruiting and portal guys have been spotty (+ for Boum, Q, & Conwell so far. McKnight is solid but unspectacular, and the rest have been meh). He hasn’t really developed anyone. Swain is just the same guy from last year, but playing more. I’ve been looking at the stats of our players from the last few years that transferred and several of them are flourishing. Maybe that due to having more than experience. Maybe it’s due to “dropping down” a level or 2. Or maybe it’s due to lack of development while at X.

Bottom line is I don’t see you scenario as bing realistic. He’s got about 20 years of experience and his best years are far behind him. MAYBE his best years are actually ahead of him, but he’s gotta put up a couple successful seasons before anyone makes a serious run at him.

I have few sources that he was headed to Texas after year 1. Contract was set. But the interim coach did too well so they kept him. Admittedly after this previous set of openings, if Sean didn’t get a look then maybe he cooled off a bit, but I would not be surprised to see a lower level school that has a ton of nil come after him. (Like a lower SEC school)

Like I said, I think he’s the guy that get us there. He’s a good coach. It’s hard to tell based off the injuries what he truly can do in the era. But I think he has the fire and is a good coach. I’m happy to put my chips In with Sean and see how it goes. I understand those who aren’t happy though.

(I also don’t think Arizona is a top 10 program..they haven’t done anything in a long long time, but I’d be very happy to have the chances Arizona had and hope it turns out differently)

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was hoping it wasn't true but X is back to being a stepping stone program, just in a different way. I'm convinced players choose X because they get a year or 2 to play in a nice arena and get Big East exposure. They use that to showcase their individual skills so the following year they can get that big ass payday from a bigger school. I don't blame the kids, but the fact roster turnover is so high just blows up what we knew to be the Xavier way when we were growing up.

We loved watching guys grow and develop for 4 years and how those teams cohesion and teamwork helped them pull off many amazing runs. Now it's a group of talented guys who just play for their next check. Its sad to see. I know lots on here may not agree, but I had to vent. I bet Sean Miller is beating his head against the wall starting at square 1 year after year.

Are we a fan of the same team? Please list the players you are talking about.

95% of our transfers out are desired by the coaching staff and are going to smaller schools, not bigger schools.

This post is laughably off base.

[Xville]

Are we a fan of the same team? Please list the players you are talking about.

95% of our transfers out are desired by the coaching staff and are going to smaller schools, not bigger schools.

This post is laughably off base.

He must be best buddies with hett who still believes no matter how many times he’s told, that Claude left for more money. The constant rumored nonsense on here by a few posts that have zero inside connection to the program is mind boggling. Just throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks

[zippin']

Really feels to me like the Seton Hall game will decide the rest of this year. If they lose that it’s definitely over, but I’m really hoping for an emphatic win to make everyone feel better. Worried though because they play the exact defense that gives this team trouble.

[xu82]

Takes a lot to fix the Steele mess. Sean will be fine. 3 for 3 on losing an all big east player for the season. 2/3 years losing the starting bigs. Xavier can absolutely compete in the NIL era. But can’t compete while losing multiple key pieces every year. Some big programs can sustain that hit, I don’t think X can.

Things need to change recruiting wise, IMO, But we’re in good hands. Just wanted to include context in the “we can’t compete” narrative

I’m not worried because it was always the coach we would lose to a bigger program. Miller has been there and done that, and as long as he stays we will get it worked out. You can’t have cluster injuries with our Bigs and not feel the pain. I’m glad they still put up a good fight against top teams.

[webxu]

The only players I can recall in the last 15 years leaving for a "bigger" program: Mark Lyons, Dez Wells and Claude ( could be missing some). Each have a story as to why they left ( or were made to) and two of those programs its arguable that X is actually better than. The vast majority of our guys we lose go to lesser schools.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The only players I can recall in the last 15 years leaving for a "bigger" program: Mark Lyons, Dez Wells and Claude ( could be missing some). Each have a story as to why they left ( or were made to) and two of those programs its arguable that X is actually better than. The vast majority of our guys we lose go to lesser schools.

And the first two were before NIL.

I literally have no idea where stammina's post came from? Literally do not understand it. Would love some clarification.

[Xville]

And the first two were before NIL.

I literally have no idea where stammina's post came from? Literally do not understand it. Would love some clarification.

I think it's just frustration nonsense. Wells was basically railroaded and kicked out of school (i also don't think it's a bigger program.) Claude left because of position and USC is not a bigger program, and Lyons I'm not 100% sure on but I get the feeling that he and mack didn't see eye to eye and thought he might as well go to a coach he got along with.

The demolition that Steele and Greg Christopher did to this program is ongoing. We had things cruising for such a long time, even with the jump to the Big East, and then one bad hire has caused a lot of destruction and PTSD from fans like all of us.