Politics Thread

[paulxu]

Let's help the Russians undermine NATO.

Jared Kushner’s investment fund made its first big splash last month when it announced it had signed a $500 million deal with the Serbian government to develop a high end real estate project

a pledge by Kushner’s firm, Affinity Partners, to construct a “memorial dedicated to all the victims of NATO aggression

Gen. Wesley Clark, who served as NATO Supreme Allied Commander during the war.

While he has no objection to a U.S. firm investing in Serbia, the planned revisionist memorial—officially proclaiming America’s adversary in the war to have been a victim of “aggression”— “is worse than a reversal” of U.S. policies in the region, said Clark in an interview with SpyTalk. “It’s a betrayal of the United States, its policies and the brave diplomats and airmen who did what they could to stop Serb ethnic cleansing.”

https://www.spytalk.co/p/kushners-de...dRedirect=true

[STL_XUfan]

I’ll pivot. Do you believe the average taxpayer should be on the hook for someone’s else’s loan?

Edit: Did you mean synopsis rather than a syllabus?….

As to your edit, no. The syllabus is a summary at the top of every supreme court decision that is not part of the actual opinion but summarizes the holdings. If you clicked on the link you would see that it is the first 5 pages prior to the opinion starting on page 6.

The average tax payer is on the hook for all sorts of things they may or may not agree with or personally qualify for. Subsidies, tax breaks, stimulus, preferential loan terms, etc. are given out all of the time. The hope is that it will have a net benefit.

If providing some loan relief increases the financial stability of a younger portion of our population and makes them more confident to purchase a home, get married, or start a family, then I think the trade off could be a net positive.

[Xville]

As to your edit, no. The syllabus is a summary at the top of every supreme court decision that is not part of the actual opinion but summarizes the holdings. If you clicked on the link you would see that it is the first 5 pages prior to the opinion starting on page 6.

The average tax payer is on the hook for all sorts of things they may or may not agree with or personally qualify for. Subsidies, tax breaks, stimulus, preferential loan terms, etc. are given out all of the time. The hope is that it will have a net benefit.

If providing some loan relief increases the financial stability of a younger portion of our population and makes them more confident to purchase a home, get married, or start a family, then I think the trade off could be a net positive.

I'd rather have us as a country fix the problem, rather than put a band-aid on it. When the government put band-aids on things, it generally causes more problems rather than fix the issue.

So, what's the actual problem? 1.) "Higher Education" is way too damn expensive. 2.) There are a lot of people that don't need to go to college that do because it's just what they have been told. We need to "educate" people that there are other avenues. 3.) Loan companies are predatory.

[xubrew]

I'd rather have us as a country fix the problem, rather than put a band-aid on it. When the government put band-aids on things, it generally causes more problems rather than fix the issue.

So, what's the actual problem? 1.) "Higher Education" is way too damn expensive. 2.) There are a lot of people that don't need to go to college that do because it's just what they have been told. We need to "educate" people that there are other avenues. 3.) Loan companies are predatory.

When was the last time we really fixed anything??

[Xuperman]

Facts rather than histrionics:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...ant-crime-wave

Posting something like this says a lot about how the Progressive Left views this disaster....foolishly whistling past the grave yard.

Where is the reference to law enforcement policy in sanctuary cities that prohibit even questioning a suspect's immigration status? Where is the statistical info on social justice policies in these cities, that have drastically reduced police engagement and crimes that are prosecuted?

Because here are the people responsible for this Leftist spin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bren...er_for_Justice

We are talking about an estimated 10 million loosely documented illegals. A very high percentage of that number, unattached military aged males. Even if just 1% of the 10 mil, have, will or intend to commit crime is just a devastating reality. "Google" New York mayor Adams and educate yourself. Better yet, go to Merit Street Media. Watch the recent 2 part deep dive into this out of control crime in NY by these illegals. It features officials at the very top and on the frontline in the city.

You have to take the blinders off and educate yourself on how the cartels and organized gang activity has big numbers among these illegals. Otherwise, stop posting things that are nothing but leftist deflection.

[Smails]

So, what's the actual problem? 1.) "Higher Education" is way too damn expensive. 2.) There are a lot of people that don't need to go to college that do because it's just what they have been told. We need to "educate" people that there are other avenues. 3.) Loan companies are predatory.

I'll add- What does Biden's forgiveness plan teach this generation about financial accountability?

I think any loan 'relief' is completely offset by instilling a 'government will bail me out' mentality for thousands and thousands of people. These adults and their parents entered into a covenant with financial institutions and instead of honoring their commitment, POTUS sweeps in and bails them out. Anyone who doesn't think this is anything other than a massive voter registration drive has their head purposefully in the sand.

Also- why is providing financial stability only important for people in college? Where's the relief for trade workers? How about throwing in some cash for those who opt to go into the military? How about those students who don't take loans but work full time and go to night school? All of those people could also use some relief to help purchase a home, start a family... Mike the welder busts his ass in a 5 year apprenticeship and gets zilch. However, Ethan the Art History Major at Oberlin gets loan forgiveness? PLEASE make it make sense

[Xville]

Posting something like this says a lot about how the Progressive Left views this disaster....foolishly whistling past the grave yard.

Where is the reference to law enforcement policy in sanctuary cities that prohibit even questioning a suspect's immigration status? Where is the statistical info on social justice policies in these cities, that have drastically reduced police engagement and crimes that are prosecuted?

Because here are the people responsible for this Leftist spin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bren...er_for_Justice

We are talking about an estimated 10 million loosely documented illegals. A very high percentage of that number, unattached military aged males. Even if just 1% of the 10 mil, have, will or intend to commit crime is just a devastating reality. "Google" New York mayor Adams and educate yourself. Better yet, go to Merit Street Media. Watch the recent 2 part deep dive into this out of control crime in NY by these illegals. It features officials at the very top and on the frontline in the city.

You have to take the blinders off and educate yourself on how the cartels and organized gang activity has big numbers among these illegals. Otherwise, stop posting things that are nothing but leftist deflection.

While I agree regarding spin, attacking where Paul's information comes from and in the same breath, championing a Dr. Phil media company, is ironic.

[Xville]

I'll add- What does Biden's forgiveness plan teach this generation about financial accountability?

I think any loan 'relief' is completely offset by instilling a 'government will bail me out' mentality for thousands and thousands of people. These adults and their parents entered into a covenant with financial institutions and instead of honoring their commitment, POTUS sweeps in and bails them out. Anyone who doesn't think this is anything other than a massive voter registration drive has their head purposefully in the sand.

Also- why is providing financial stability only important for people in college? Where's the relief for trade workers? How about throwing in some cash for those who opt to go into the military? How about those students who don't take loans but work full time and go to night school? All of those people could also use some relief to help purchase a home, start a family... Mike the welder busts his ass in a 5 year apprenticeship and gets zilch. However, Ethan the Art History Major at Oberlin gets loan forgiveness? PLEASE make it make sense

I agree with most of this. How anyone in general can think "loan forgiveness" by the government is a good thing is beyond me.

We need to fix the actual problems, instead of digging a deeper grave.

[STL_XUfan]

Also- why is providing financial stability only important for people in college? Where's the relief for trade workers? How about throwing in some cash for those who opt to go into the military? How about those students who don't take loans but work full time and go to night school? All of those people could also use some relief to help purchase a home, start a family... Mike the welder busts his ass in a 5 year apprenticeship and gets zilch. However, Ethan the Art History Major at Oberlin gets loan forgiveness? PLEASE make it make sense

I believe Military still gets free college education under the GI Bill, right?

I believe students going to night school still qualify for student loans and would be protected under the new policies concerning only having to pay back a portion of the disposable income.

Mike the Welder would be eligible for other type of grants, such as an SBA loan to help fund his business venture that would be too risky for other banks to touch (not to mention it would be eligible for a discharge in bankruptcy if Mike's business fails, unlike student loans).

They would all be eligible for things such FHA loans to assist in buying their first home.

The student loan issue is a unique issue in that the standard solution to individuals that make a bad business decision, bankruptcy, is not available to the borrowers. So instead the problem will keep snowballing as they fall further and further behind debt.

[Smails]

I believe Military still gets free college education under the GI Bill, right?

I believe students going to night school still qualify for student loans and would be protected under the new policies concerning only having to pay back a portion of the disposable income.

Mike the Welder would be eligible for other type of grants, such as an SBA loan to help fund his business venture that would be too risky for other banks to touch (not to mention it would be eligible for a discharge in bankruptcy if Mike's business fails, unlike student loans).

They would all be eligible for things such FHA loans to assist in buying their first home.

The student loan issue is a unique issue in that the standard solution to individuals that make a bad business decision, bankruptcy, is not available to the borrowers. So instead the problem will keep snowballing as they fall further and further behind debt.

Okay, you missed my point.. which was in response to that it was a 'net positive' to forgive student loans in the name of providing financial stability.

I'm not advocating for servicemen to go to college after their active duty obligation is complete. Nor am I advocating for night school students to borrow money.

To your other point yes, students and their co-signers can absolutely file for personal bankruptcy if they meet the criteria. That protection does exist, but it's a damn near permanent stain on their credit history (ie a tough lesson to learn). The borrower would have to file an adversary proceeding to have their loans discharged via bankruptcy. To avoid that, the govt can just sweep in and just forgive the loans with no lessons learned and zero accountability. What a terrible message IMO. If your student loan is in good standing when it's forgiven, there is a minimal impact on your credit score (averages about a 3-5 point drop). There is no equivalence to this loan forgiveness and business or personal bankruptcy protection.

The majority of the borrowers receiving forgiveness are in good standing and not in default. Many that are in default are there because they simply stopped paying once they heard POTUS tell the world that he's forgiving loans.

In today's world I think college, specifically private institutions are overpriced and don't provide the benefit they once did. But people have to weigh the financial burden with the potential long-term rewards and make good decisions. There has to be some consequence for taking money you can't afford to pay back.