Politics Thread

[Masterofreality]

Pretty simple. The Mueller Report, the IG's report, and the Republican Senate Intelligence committee all determined that Russia actively work to support efforts to undermine Clinton's campaign and help Trump get elected.
You don't want to call it collusion, which is not even a legally defined term for breaking the law. I'll call it collusion as a lay term for the Trump campaign manager to hand polling and other data to a Russian intelligence officer so they could target their social media campaigns to help Trump. Certainly sounds like they might have "colluded." Or Russians hacking various Dems and releasing it to hurt a campaign. They didn't hack Trump's people.
Durham wasted 4 years, took a couple of people to court who were found not guilty, and had one charge thrown out by the judge.
A waste.
Mueller led to Stone and Flynn being convicted and subsequently being pardoned by Trump. Great record.
Bannon gets pardoned for his build the wall scam, while his buddies on the project go to jail. Nice.

Not simple at all as Paul continues to try to use stuff that was all based upon the only info (false) that was available at the time…and subsequently totally debunked.
None of that trash was legit that started the whole process as the Wall Street Journal points out:

“ The report’s 316 pages detail the FBI’s failings at every turn. Mr. Durham describes how the bureau initiated its probe based on a conversation between unpaid Trump adviser George Papadopoulos and an Australian diplomat. No U.S. law-enforcement or intelligence agency thought the conversation was evidence of collusion, but the FBI launched a formal investigation anyway without “any significant review of its own intelligence databases” or “conducting interviews of witnesses essential to understand the raw information it had received.” The FBI also opened full investigations of four members of Mr. Trump’s campaign team.

The bureau then began working on authorizations for use of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, warrants—which would lead to highly intrusive electronic coverage of Trump adviser Carter Page. We learned from the special counsel that former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith committed a criminal offense by fabricating language in an email that helped the FBI obtain the FISA surveillance order against Mr. Page. Agents also used the unverified dossier, concocted by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele, as probable cause in its FISA applications.

Mr. Durham notes that the FBI personnel working on those applications displayed “a cavalier attitude towards accuracy and completeness.” FBI personnel continued to seek renewals of FISA surveillance while acknowledging that they didn’t believe there was probable cause. They also disregarded exculpatory information, such as surrepti-tiously recorded statements from some of the targets themselves.

At the very least, Mr. Durham reminds us, the bureau should have exercised restraint when it received information from Mr. Steele, who was at that time being paid by entities of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. This partisan information helped sustain the probe and, in Mr. Durham’s opinion, contributed to the creation of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.”

Stop with your ridiculous gaslighting Paul.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/durham-...ussia-ce31d6e6

[bobbiemcgee]

Durham's Dud:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023...-investigation

no deep state.

The doctored email was uncovered by Horowitz, not Durham. lie

[XU_Lou]

Durham's Dud:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023...-investigation

no deep state.

The doctored email was uncovered by Horowitz, not Durham. lie

You seem a little nervous....

[XU_Lou]

Paul and Bobbie,

Never, ever, forget; it was you who created Trump, and it is you who will resurrect him.

[Masterofreality]

Durham's Dud:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023...-investigation

no deep state.

The doctored email was uncovered by Horowitz, not Durham. lie

It says that in the Wall Street Journal article if you bothered to read it. Where is the lie?
What Durham did was shine a light on an agency’s corruption. You are not in favor of that?

[UCGRAD4X]

Pretty simple. The Mueller Report, the IG's report, and the Republican Senate Intelligence committee all determined that Russia actively work to support efforts to undermine Clinton's campaign and help Trump get elected.
You don't want to call it collusion, which is not even a legally defined term for breaking the law. I'll call it collusion as a lay term for the Trump campaign manager to hand polling and other data to a Russian intelligence officer so they could target their social media campaigns to help Trump. Certainly sounds like they might have "colluded." Or Russians hacking various Dems and releasing it to hurt a campaign. They didn't hack Trump's people.
Durham wasted 4 years, took a couple of people to court who were found not guilty, and had one charge thrown out by the judge.
A waste.
Mueller led to Stone and Flynn being convicted and subsequently being pardoned by Trump. Great record.
Bannon gets pardoned for his build the wall scam, while his buddies on the project go to jail. Nice.

sounds like

might have

colluded ("not even a legally defined term")

and you start it all off with the word "certainly"

[paulxu]

What would you call the situation where the manager of the campaign for the United States presidency gives a Russian intelligence agent, polling data to help the Russians use social media to impact the United States election?

[Masterofreality]

What would you call a candidate who was so inept that she couldn’t even find her way to Wisconsin in the last 2 months of a Presidential Campaign?
Answer: LOSER

[paulxu]

Perfect deflection.

[Smails]

So you are with the republicans who want to defund/disband the FBI? Has a familiar sound to it.

Absolutely not. Why would you say that...I've never indicated anything of the sort. You are an odd bird.

The FBI messed up, made mistakes and launched an investigation without due cause. Those facts are not in dispute. I don't know why people can't just admit it and also admit that its a good thing to make sure our government agencies don't pull this kind of crap moving forward. It's really head scratching