Politics Thread

[Strange Brew]

Seems to me the Gore. Bush Florida recount was, in reality, to "find" votes.

:).

[bjf123]

As any kind of candidate, why do you make a call like that to a secretary of state if not to influence his actions?
Who does that?
Or has lawyers filing bogus lawsuits, or creating crazy legal theories to take over, or declare "marital" law, or create fake electors to submit to congress.

I'm just sure "find" votes was all good intentions...despite the secretary of state letting the candidate know his facts were wrong.

Just to confirm, you’re saying, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trump was telling the GA SoS to commit a crime and create enough fake ballots to win the State. Is that right?


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[bjf123]

Interesting story on how far the Biden administration was going to squash anything that might have questioned their Covid response and the vaccines. Even to the point of trying to know what was in WhatsApp messages between individuals.

https://davidzweig.substack.com/p/bi...pressured-meta


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[noteggs]

It's a weird thing to indict a former president over. And yes, you have to be more careful in how you prosecute people who are CLEARLY political enemies to avoid it looking like a purely political process.

This should be all be fun and very helpful.

1) 100%

2) most watching the legacy media and certain cable networks don’t even know one of Bragg’s top priorities in his campaign was to prosecute Trump. So yes “potential” political prosecution at its finest.

3) Think you found the sarcasm font you were looking for in your last sentence. :)

[paulxu]

Just to confirm, you’re saying, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trump was telling the GA SoS to commit a crime and create enough fake ballots to win the State. Is that right?


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Nope. I'm saying (from listening to the entire tape of his call and a lot of Georgia officials) that it certainly would appear he was trying to influence a state election official to do something illegal; not the particular method for doing so. As to whether it, and all the evidence the grand jury there has listened to, are sufficient to return an indictment, and might prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt," that would be for the jury. And I'm sure there is a lot of testimony no one's heard.
But I'm very glad that Raffensperger was smart enough to tape the lengthy call so I didn't have to listen to a bunch of lies about the call from the caller.

[Strange Brew]

Nope. I'm saying (from listening to the entire tape of his call and a lot of Georgia officials) that it certainly would appear he was trying to influence a state election official to do something illegal; not the particular method for doing so. As to whether it, and all the evidence the grand jury there has listened to, are sufficient to return an indictment, and might prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt," that would be for the jury. And I'm sure there is a lot of testimony no one's heard.
But I'm very glad that Raffensperger was smart enough to tape the lengthy call so I didn't have to listen to a bunch of lies about the call from the caller.

Thanks for clarifying. :)

You convinced me. He’s pure evil. :)

[Muskie in dayton]

Care to expand? I am generally against the concept of anyone being above the law. I am also a big proponent of the presumption of innocence that built in protections for criminal defendants. This isn't like he was sentenced to death by a military tribunal and will be shot without calling a witness. It is a state Court charge that will likely result in a fine after years of litigation and appeals (since we do not know the actual charges yet, I am just speculating). I am not seeing this as some earth shattering event. Hell, I have already received a fund raising email this morning from the Trump campaign using the indictment to raise money.

A lot of other perfectly stable and developed democracy's have had their former leader charged and convicted of a crime. I do not think this will matter at all in the long run.

Exactly.

[Masterofreality]

Hmmmm. Sounds like a real threat to Democracy.
Biden lies again…about pretty important stuff…
Nothing like doing zilch while an adversary flies spy balloons over your military bases.
I thought that Biden said they had “blocked the intel gathering”?
Oh, well…

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...ases-rcna77155

[noteggs]

Hmmmm. Sounds like a real threat to Democracy.
Biden lies again…about pretty important stuff…
Nothing like doing zilch while an adversary flies spy balloons over your military bases.
I thought that Biden said they had “blocked the intel gathering”?
Oh, well…

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...ases-rcna77155

Interesting they published the report today? All channels seem to be focused on something else…

[noteggs]

Heard news agencies around the country are stocking up on hand wipes this week. Guess they are anticipating a lot Toobin pulling.