Covid-19

[noteggs]

the fact that teacher's unions were able to influence CDC guidance during a pandemic infuriates me. It's borderline criminal thuggery.

Preach! During my 25 plus years in medicine, there has always been politics involved. But never thought it would lead to this. Unfortunately, it is only going to get worse the more and more government grows.

[paulxu]

Wow, you had to go all the way back to 9/18/2020 to find an example of Fauci actually doing the right thing.

You completely missed MID's point. Fauci went on TV/radio/podcasts multiple times everyday for 2 years, and virtually the only thing that he ever prescribed were masks and vaccines - both of which have shown no or very little efficacy. You show one insignificant article that maybe only 10,000 people saw as proof that he was "on it", is a complete joke.

Well, going way back to the time when the deaths were mounting seems fairly critical.
If I had posted something from last month, you'd be moaning about it being too late.
Point is he did, on many occasions, point out the benefits of healthy lifestyles and diet. You just want to demonize him for some strange reason.

As to masks and vaccines, you might ask yourself why Japan was so successful. And yes they closed schools also.

[xu82]

Typical 82.... comes out of the basement and throws a stone, and then runs and hides under his mommy's skirt and says he won't debate.

I am neither running nor hiding. You just don’t offer anything I find worth my time.

[Smails]

How long were schools closed in Ohio? I live in a pretty liberal district in NJ and schools were only closed for like 3 months at the beginning of the pandemic and then we went back to in person learning (albeit on a modified schedule). It wasn't an optimal school year, but I'd argue that generations of kids have lived through things like WWII, the great depression, etc. and they will recover.

I also think you are a bit dramatic calling it 'borderline criminal thuggery' that teachers didn't want to go back to in person learning and potentially get exposed to COVID and die (which actually happened at my kids' school). You can argue that the risk comes with the territory for teachers, or that they should just quit, but borderline criminal seems a bit far. I'm going to guess that you don't have a very favorable opinion of unions in general though.

But again, that was some time ago and nobody (credible) is advocating a return to that because most recognize that it did more harm than good.

Ohio public schools were all over the map. Some were closed much longer than others and there were still schools in remote learning only as recently as Jan. 22. Comparing kids of today to the kids of the greatest generation is silly. Completely different mentality/world we live in, and if you want to minimalize the effect e-learning has had on our kids, knock yourself out..but you'll be on the wrong side of history. We're already seeing achievement levels suffer compared to other countries and it's still incredibly early in data collection. It's going to get worse..a lot worse.

Anyway you slice it, the hard data on the number of children seeking mental counseling, suicide rates, contemplation of suicide, social anxiety and any number of other potential mental issues absolutely skyrocketed during the school closure/lockdown time period.

Now on to unions: I don't care one way or the other. My grandfather was a pipefitter for what seemed like 100 years, 2 sisters are public school teachers. I absolutely think that a friggin Teacher's union getting closed door meetings and influencing CDC guidance during a pandemic is criminal. What the hell do teachers know about infectious diseases? It's the perfect example of a large non-governmental agency having undo influence when it comes to public policy decisions. No different than the gun, oil or environmental lobby IMO. All criminals...

[XU_Lou]

Well, going way back to the time when the deaths were mounting seems fairly critical.
If I had posted something from last month, you'd be moaning about it being too late.
Point is he did, on many occasions, point out the benefits of healthy lifestyles and diet. You just want to demonize him for some strange reason.

As to masks and vaccines, you might ask yourself why Japan was so successful. And yes they closed schools also.

But you could only find one - from 2 years ago, right?

[XU_Lou]

I am neither running nor hiding. You just don’t offer anything I find worth my time.

But you feel the need to comment - a snide remark here, throw a stone there - and then claim you won't debate or even try to educate yourself with new information.

You can whine and moan all you want, but the history is all here on this thread. You're either a congenital liar or a psychopath.

[noteggs]

How long were schools closed in Ohio? I live in a pretty liberal district in NJ and schools were only closed for like 3 months at the beginning of the pandemic and then we went back to in person learning (albeit on a modified schedule). It wasn't an optimal school year, but I'd argue that generations of kids have lived through things like WWII, the great depression, etc. and they will recover.

I also think you are a bit dramatic calling it 'borderline criminal thuggery' that teachers didn't want to go back to in person learning and potentially get exposed to COVID and die (which actually happened at my kids' school). You can argue that the risk comes with the territory for teachers, or that they should just quit, but borderline criminal seems a bit far. I'm going to guess that you don't have a very favorable opinion of unions in general though.

But again, that was some time ago and nobody (credible) is advocating a return to that because most recognize that it did more harm than good.

Wow that surprises me from NJ. Like Smails said, Ohio was all over the board. A couple of examples.

My daughter who teaches early childhood (second grade), her school closed midway through the spring semester in 2020. Then had remote learning the entire fall of 2020. After, had hybrid for spring of 2021. She told me this had a big impact on their social and academic development. Basically putting them a year behind.

Second - Miami U had remote learning the entire 2020-2021 school year (except for in class for things like labs). Heck my daughter barely left her dorm room freshman year. They even divided the students in the dorms into one per. Had masks mandates for 2021-22 minus last 2 months. Yea last point was because of the unions. Emailed school a few times and they basically told me they were waiting to get their blessing. Great first two years of college, not to mention our concern on her mental well being. Seems ok now, but…

[xu82]

But you feel the need to comment - a snide remark here, throw a stone there - and then claim you won't debate or even try to educate yourself with new information.

You can whine and moan all you want, but the history is all here on this thread. You're either a congenital liar or a psychopath.

I am neither whining nor moaning. I’m also not a congenital liar or a psychopath, and (helpful hint here) it’s probably not wise to insult an actual psychopath. I AM all for education, you just seem upset that YOU are not a source I have any interest in whatsoever.

[paulxu]

But you could only find one - from 2 years ago, right?

Good lord Lou, grow up. Just google and see all the times he recommends good diet and exercise.

Wait, weren't you one of the people castigating him for recommending these things before masks when he wanted to save masks for health care workers?

[xu82]

Good lord Lou, grow up. Just google and see all the times he recommends good diet and exercise.

Wait, weren't you one of the people castigating him for recommending these things before masks when he wanted to save masks for health care workers?

You may need to adjust your expectations…….