Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

Merry Christmas to the Democrats. Wanted to be the first to offer season's greetings on this Democratic high holy day.

[X-band '01]

With or without the Q Anon Shaman on a shelf?

[X-man]

That’s fair. One has to assume he even knows what he’s saying….

The difference is: COVID in 2020. Trump’s fault. COVID in 2021 Trump’s fault and Joe tried. I think the angst is more with the media than policy. That and seems everyone is fatigued by the past couple of years.

Covid in 2020 was not Trump's fault. But many of us felt like he could have done a better job getting people to get vaccinated. He may have not succeeded even if he had done so. But his manifest skepticism about both the danger of covid and the efficacy of getting vaccinated surely didn't help. That said, there is little doubt that covid infections would have continued to plague us, and that new variants (e.g. omicron) would be highly problematic. But there is also little doubt, given the evidence this year under omicron, that there would be far fewer severe cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, if more of us had gotten vaccinated.

Covid in 2021/2022 is not Biden's fault. And he has screwed up our testing capabilities (or at least not done a good job resolving the testing problems here) when the ability to get tested is critical in slowing the spread, particularly to the more vulnerable members of our population. But at least he is pushing getting vaccinated, and supporting policies that "nudge" people into getting vaccinated.

[paulxu]

Ludicrous Paul. Trump didn’t “have” a vaccine at the start of 2020, He had to cause a DEVELOPMENT of it, which Biden has fully had. STILL, more people died under Biden than Trump- in less time. Stop blaming the “unvaxxed”.

I didn't say Trump had a vaccine at the start of 2020. I noted he helped the rapid development of the vaccines.

Trump did a great job in pushing to get vaccines developed.

This chart reflects the difference in death statistics during the height of the Delta virus last year. I think one could draw the inference that if more people had gotten vaccinated, we would have had less deaths. Even today there are 30 million who apparently refuse to be vaccinated. This may not be a good thing:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ntry=~All+ages

[Strange Brew]

Covid in 2020 was not Trump's fault. But many of us felt like he could have done a better job getting people to get vaccinated. He may have not succeeded even if he had done so. But his manifest skepticism about both the danger of covid and the efficacy of getting vaccinated surely didn't help. That said, there is little doubt that covid infections would have continued to plague us, and that new variants (e.g. omicron) would be highly problematic. But there is also little doubt, given the evidence this year under omicron, that there would be far fewer severe cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, if more of us had gotten vaccinated.

Covid in 2021/2022 is not Biden's fault. And he has screwed up our testing capabilities (or at least not done a good job resolving the testing problems here) when the ability to get tested is critical in slowing the spread, particularly to the more vulnerable members of our population. But at least he is pushing getting vaccinated, and supporting policies that "nudge" people into getting vaccinated.

That’s a fair assessment. I think more could have been done around therapies (by Biden) to help those already infected and the mandates were counter productive and contrary to the authority of the office of the POTUS. I don’t think Fauci has been helpful either in gaining the public’s trust which didn’t help.

As to Omi, while it’s annoying now it appears to my less deadly and may help get us to natural immunity. Which should help us to get out of this cycle if there’s a bright side..

[Xville]

What is the point of this Biden speech today? Good Gawd..what a circus. Talking about Trump yet again. Let it go.

[X-man]

What is the point of this Biden speech today? Good Gawd..what a circus. Talking about Trump yet again. Let it go.

You obviously haven’t been paying attention. This is Biden’s first comments on Trump’s role. But if you want someone to “let it go”, how about getting Trump to stop pushing the Big Lie.

[Xville]

You obviously haven’t been paying attention. This is Biden’s first comments on Trump’s role. But if you want someone to “let it go”, how about getting Trump to stop pushing the Big Lie.

I have been paying attention, thanks. I don’t care whether this is the first time he has mentioned trump or not on this issue. he has talked about him numerous times with other things. Why do we need to keep talking about ex presidents and about something that happened a year ago by freaks, let it go and stop giving any credence to it. It’s a circus

[GoMuskies]

You probably don't think we should have 9/11 remembrances either, XVille. How dare you mar this high holy day with your insolence!

[Strange Brew]

You obviously haven’t been paying attention. This is Biden’s first comments on Trump’s role. But if you want someone to “let it go”, how about getting Trump to stop pushing the Big Lie.

I wish you a Happy American October Revolution Day!