Covid-19

[GoMuskies]

I know many vaccinated devout Catholics. Have they violated their religious beliefs?

I never said I agreed with him, but I DO know some ultra-devout Catholics (as mentioned above, including teachers at my daughter's high school) who would answer that question in the affirmative.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I never said I agreed with him, but I DO know some ultra-devout Catholics (as mentioned above, including teachers at my daughter's high school) who would answer that question in the affirmative.

Curious, do they feel that way about all vaccines?

[xu82]

Or layups!

That would be nice too! He doesn’t shoot many layups because he’s afraid they will see him coming and he will end up embarrassing himself at the line! Yep, he’s got issues alright, but NOT the ones he’s claiming!

[GoMuskies]

Curious, do they feel that way about all vaccines?

No idea. For the record, the (Catholic) schools themselves have encouraged (but nothing close to requiring) students to get vaccinated.

But that's where the WSU guy's case gets interesting. The meeting with the doctor and his lack of public stance are just irrelevant distractions. Is he actually a devout Catholic, and did he live his life prior to the last six months in a way that suggested he was concerned about these issues prior to his refusal to take the vaccine? Those are the questions.

[bobbiemcgee]

POPE:
“It’s a bit strange, because humanity has a history of friendship with vaccines,” Francis said, noting that children for decades have been vaccinated against measles, mumps and polio “and no one said anything.”

[X-man]

Got my Moderna booster this week, and both my wife and I had a stronger reaction to the booster than either of the first two jabs. I was tired, sore, and had chills for about 24 hours. My wife was the same, but also has a low grade fever. Two days later, everything was gone completely for her.

[noteggs]

Interesting cohort study from the Lancet.

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

Disclaimer, have not had a chance to do a deep dive into study. Also, we do know the limitations of a cohort study. In this case

However, given that index cases were identified through routine symptomatic surveillance, there might have been a selection bias towards identifying untypically symptomatic vaccine breakthrough index cases.

Findings show good news for the individual vaccinated, but might shoot a hole for the vaccine mandates. Well guess one could make a case for the viral clearance. Would like to see similar follow up studies.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...648-4/fulltext

[Muskie in dayton]

Interesting cohort study from the Lancet.



Disclaimer, have not had a chance to do a deep dive into study. Also, we do know the limitations of a cohort study. In this case



Findings show good news for the individual vaccinated, but might shoot a hole for the vaccine mandates. Well guess one could make a case for the viral clearance. Would like to see similar follow up studies.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...648-4/fulltext

For anyone tracking the real-world case data, this study was done by Captain Obvious. Not only are the vaxxed shedding at similar levels, but many have very minor or no symptoms and are becoming unknowing Superspreaders. You’re exactly right about this destroying the vax mandates…if they were really about public health.

[STL_XUfan]

https://apnews.com/article/us-suprem...ceb470f0cc2366

Supreme Court declines to grant an injunction blocking Maine's vaccine mandate, even though it doesn't provide a religious exemption.

I will wait for our resident Supreme Court expert Strange Brew to weigh in on the matter.

[Lloyd Braun]

Interesting cohort study from the Lancet.



Disclaimer, have not had a chance to do a deep dive into study. Also, we do know the limitations of a cohort study. In this case



Findings show good news for the individual vaccinated, but might shoot a hole for the vaccine mandates. Well guess one could make a case for the viral clearance. Would like to see similar follow up studies.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...648-4/fulltext

Looks about right on the surface but I wish the study was larger. Good info though overall. Not saying I am for mandates but there are lots of reasons employees are implementing them. Part of the reason is that they don’t want employees to lose time because of the illness. 2 weeks off work is a lot and this data also adds to the pool that you’re less likely to be infected if you’re vaccinated. Also from the Captain Obvious playbook. I would question the notion that asymptomatic vaccinated are superspreaders. I have not seen this in real life. The delta variant has been more contagious in part (my opinion, not studied) because the symptoms are that of a cold/allergies for a couple days in most people, so people go through their day spreading illness. The previous variants caused more systemic symptoms earlier. The number of times I have heard “I thought this was a sinus infection” is very high!

Also in the Lancet this month is this:

The durability of immunity against reinfection by SARS-CoV-2: a comparative evolutionary study

Findings We obtained antibody optical density data for six human-infecting coronaviruses, extending from 128 days to 28 years after infection between 1984 and 2020. These data provided a means to estimate profiles of the typical antibody decline and probabilities of reinfection over time under endemic conditions. Reinfection by SARS-CoV-2 under endemic conditions would likely occur between 3 months and 5·1 years after peak antibody response, with a median of 16 months. This protection is less than half the duration revealed for the endemic coronaviruses circulating among humans (5–95% quantiles 15 months to 10 years for HCoV-OC43, 31 months to 12 years for HCoV-NL63, and 16 months to 12 years for HCoV-229E). For SARS-CoV, the 5–95% quantiles were 4 months to 6 years, whereas the 95% quantiles for MERS-CoV were inconsistent by dataset.

Interpretation The timeframe for reinfection is fundamental to numerous aspects of public health decision making. As the COVID-19 pandemic continues, reinfection is likely to become increasingly common. Maintaining public health measures that curb transmission—including among individuals who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2—coupled with persistent efforts to accelerate vaccination worldwide is critical to the prevention of COVID-19 morbidity and mortality.

I do hear a lot of people say they will not be vaccinated as they have natural immunity. There are definitely a lot of breakthrough infections especially in those of advancing age and immunocompromised. But we have been seeing a bit of an increase in reinfections the last 1-2 months as well. Immunity is a spectrum of protection, not a line.