Covid-19

[principal]

I read an article that states those who are vaccinated are five times less likely to contract coronavirus. Could someone let me know what this is based on, preferably with a link?

Thank you.

[paulxu]

I read an article that states those who are vaccinated are five times less likely to contract coronavirus. Could someone let me know what this is based on, preferably with a link?

Thank you.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7037e1_w

[boozehound]

Of course not I'm advocating for lockdowns. I do, however, think that focusing on lockdowns at this point is a bit a red herring since we have largely moved beyond them. Are there places that are still on 'lockdowns'? I'm not aware of anywhere in the US that is on anything I would call a Lockdown. I am aware of high COVID-rate (and low vaccination rate) communities whose medical systems are breaking under the weight of all the COVID patients.

I also have a hard time believing that 1/3 of the nearly 600K excess deaths are due to lockdowns, which really only existed few a few months.

Here are a couple of specific problems I have with your analysis:

1. The statistics you site don't seem likely to add up to 200K deaths. Also many of the links you cite are dated (over 1 year old). For example: You linked to an article that stated overdose deaths are at their highest in the 12 months ending 5/2020 (so like 2 months of COVID data in there, BTW). The total number was 81K, and the change was less than 20K. Your article about 18K Alzheimer's deaths is also dated June 2020.

2. You are (correctly, IMO) citing the medical consequences of deferred care for other conditions due to COVID, but (incorrectly, IMO) directly attributing them to lockdowns when many of them are caused by hospitals, ER's, and ICUs that are at capacity because they are full of COVID patients. How would you suggest we address that? Not admit COVID patients? Obviously vaccination would seem to be a solution to reducing COVID hospitalizations and freeing up medical resources to care for other conditions (chronic or acute), but something tells me you aren't for that either.

So basically I think that you are attributing a grossly inflated number of COVID deaths to 'lockdowns' that lasted a month or two and have been over for 1+ years as a way to minimize the actual toll of COVID.

[boozehound]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7037e1_w

and over 10x less likely to be hospitalized or die, which is perhaps the greater benefit. There is quite a bit of data to support both of those claims at this point.

[XU_Lou]

The International Chamber of Shipping, a coalition of truck drivers, seafarers, and airline workers, published an open letter yesterday to the heads of state attending the United Nations General Assembly. If you're at all aware of what's going (in other words, you don't rely on CNN, etc..), you will know that there are shortages in a myriad of products as result of the elites supposedly making decision on our behalf as a result of Covid. They are leading this country and the rest of the world over the cliff because of the insane notion that they can create "Zero Covid" and mandate a vaccine that doesn't work.

Here's the letter:

"Since the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic, the maritime, road and aviation industries have called loudly and clearly on governments to ensure the free movement of transport workers and to end travel bans and other restrictions that have had an enormously detrimental impact on their wellbeing and safety. Transport workers keep the world running and are vital for the free movement of products, including vaccines and PPE, but have been continually failed by governments and taken for granted by their officials.

Our calls have been consistent and clear: freedom of movement for transport workers, for governments to use protocols that have been endorsed by international bodies for each sector and to prioritise transport workers for vaccinations as called for in the World Health Organization’s SAGE Roadmap for Prioritizing Uses of COVID-19 Vaccines in the Context of Limited Supply.

Heads of government have failed to listen, to end the blame-shifting within and between governments and take the decisive and coordinated action needed to resolve this crisis.

This is why IRU, the world road transport organisation, IATA, the International Air Transport Association, ICS, the International Chamber of Shipping, and ITF, the International Transport Workers’ Federation, have come together to make an urgent plea to the world’s heads of government and the United Nations Agencies to remove restrictions hampering the free movement of transport workers, and guarantee and facilitate their free and safe movement.

Our collective industries account for more than $20 trillion of world trade annually, and represent 65 million global transport workers, and over 3.5 million road freight and airline companies, as well as more than 80% of the world merchant shipping fleet. Seafarers, air crew and drivers must be able to continue to do their jobs, and cross borders, to keep supply chains moving. We ask heads of government to urgently take the leadership that is required to bring an end to the fragmented travel rules and restrictions that have severely impacted the global supply chain and put at risk the health and wellbeing of our international transport workforce. We also need the same urgent leadership to increase global vaccine supply by all means at our disposal, in order to expedite the recovery of our industries.

We ask that our transport workers are given priority to receive WHO recognised vaccines and heads of government work together to create globally harmonised, digital, mutually recognised vaccination certificate and processes for demonstrating health credentials (including vaccination status and COVID-19 test results), which are paramount to ensure transport workers can cross international borders.

We also call on the WHO to take our message to health ministries. Despite early engagement at the outset of the pandemic and issuance of guidance, health and transport ministries have not utilised it, resulting in the situation we face today. We need the WHO and governments to work together to ensure this guidance is accepted and followed.

The impact of nearly two years’ worth of strain, placed particularly upon maritime and road transport workers, but also impacting air crews, is now being seen. Their continued mistreatment is adding pressure on an already crumbling global supply chain. We are witnessing unprecedented disruptions and global delays and shortages on essential goods including electronics, food, fuel and medical supplies. Consumer demand is rising and the delays look set to worsen ahead of Christmas and continue into 2022.

We have all continued to keep global trade flowing throughout the pandemic, but it has taken a human toll. At the peak of the crew change crisis 400,000 seafarers were unable to leave their ships, with some seafarers working for as long as 18 months over their initial contracts. Flights have been restricted and aviation workers have faced the inconsistency of border, travel, restrictions, and vaccine restrictions/requirements. Additional and systemic stopping at road borders has meant truck drivers have been forced to wait, sometimes weeks, before being able to complete their journeys and return home.

It is of great concern that we are also seeing shortages of workers and expect more to leave our industries as a result of the poor treatment they have faced during the pandemic, putting the supply chain under greater threat.

In view of the vital role that transport workers have played during the pandemic and continue to play during the ongoing supply chain crisis, we request, as a matter of urgency, a meeting with WHO and the ILO at the highest level to identify solutions before global transport systems collapse. We also ask that WHO and the ILO raise this at the UN General Assembly and call on heads of government to take meaningful and swift action to resolve this crisis now."

https://www.ics-shipping.org/press-r...supply-chains/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/worker...heLibertyDaily

[paulxu]

They are leading this country and the rest of the world over the cliff because of the insane notion that they can create "Zero Covid" and mandate a vaccine that doesn't work.

Here's the letter:



We ask that our transport workers are given priority to receive WHO recognised vaccines and heads of government work together to create globally harmonised, digital, mutually recognised vaccination certificate and processes for demonstrating health credentials (including vaccination status and COVID-19 test results), which are paramount to ensure transport workers can cross international borders.

One of these things is not like the other.

[Xville]

One of these things is not like the other.

Lol shocking Lou contradicts and doesn’t understand his own posts.

[XU_Lou]

One of these things is not like the other.

My take vs their letter.... Who cares? It's not germane to the fact that your leaders have created a clusterfuck. That's their perceived solution out of the mess that your leaders created. Is that really hard for you and Ville to understand?

[Xville]

My take vs their letter.... Who cares? It's not germane to the fact that your leaders have created a clusterfuck. That's their perceived solution out of the mess that your leaders created. Is that really hard for you and Ville to understand?

Ok so in other words your commentary is bs and has nothing to do with a link like always.

[Strange Brew]

My take vs their letter.... Who cares? It's not germane to the fact that your leaders have created a clusterfuck. That's their perceived solution out of the mess that your leaders created. Is that really hard for you and Ville to understand?

I understand your point Lou. Mandates and C 0 dreams of leaders have caused issues. Which led the ICS to ask for prioritization to migtigate to root problem caused by leaders who don't understand unintended consequences.