Covid-19

[XU_Lou]

Bloomberg/Yahoo reported the following in regards to MiD’s point:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/covid...155250892.html

First, I'll ask, does anyone have a better source of national Covid data than this: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...a?country=~USA

For whatever reason the number of Covid cases is spiking on Fridays since the emergence of Delta (see 5th chart). Seems odd, but there may be some explanation....

Anyway, to MID and Principal's point, the growth in Friday spikes is slowing. I read that the Delta has a 90-day lifespan based on data from other countries, with the peak arriving at around the 60-day mark. This would indicate that this current spike should peak around the end of this month. Seems somewhat likely based on current trends, but who knows....

[XU_Lou]

They think they can just say stuff, and that makes it true.

I really don’t believe either extreme, but I usually know BS when I see it.

Wow, that was quick!

[bobbiemcgee]

MID - “It’s not FDA approved!”
Not FDA approved!
Xville- FDA approved!
SB- FDA ?
The FDA ?
MID. Lou and SB-do we trust the FDA?!
“Y’all really trust the FDA?!” it's the "guvment." Nah!!

[paulxu]

Crazy. It’s almost like Florida is our southern most State and the virus has a summer peak.

Paul it’s going to really suck for your fabricated liberal narrative when Florida cases drop for no apparent reason. Go recheck that 7-day moving average today. The reproduction rate is now well below 1. https://covidestim.org/

It's not a "liberal narrative" when I post a chart reflecting hospitalization numbers and deaths in the state of Florida.
It's just a set of numbers that have no politics.
I hope they come down for whatever reason. Loosing people to a disease that may have been prevented with a vaccine seems a tragedy to me.

[XU_Lou]

It's not a "liberal narrative" when I post a chart reflecting hospitalization numbers and deaths in the state of Florida.
It's just a set of numbers that have no politics.
I hope they come down for whatever reason. Loosing people to a disease that may have been prevented with a vaccine seems a tragedy to me.

Please, put some perspective on the numbers you've posted:

* What's the average age compared to last winter or last year?

* What percent are overweight?

* What percent have a comorbidity?

* What percent have a vitamin D deficiency?

[xu82]

Why would that have changed over the prior periods given the same population? OK, what has changed here? Give a grown up answer. Account for the spikes.

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[Lloyd Braun]

The unvaccinated COVID-19 patients would have plenty of capacity for treatment if not for those smokers, druggies, fat-asses, and people who don’t seek preventive care.

They all stretch equally.

By the way, can you refer me to a good dentist? Mine refused to fill my cavity since I haven’t been flossing.

I don’t think you’re completely joking so I will respond, but have you any clue who is in the hospital and why they’re there? There are only so many beds and as I mentioned earlier the beds for those with the conditions you mentioned are not all occupied at once. Communicable disease is not nearly the same as the chronic conditions you referenced, many of which have genetic predisposition. (Side note: colonoscopies don’t prevent colon cancer.)

It just seems like you’re making an argument just to spite the vaccine. Perhaps since you enjoy statistics and RCTs so much you can explain to principal why relative risk reduction is probably more important than absolute risk reduction in communicable disease as well. I will get the ball rolling: Absolute risk is all dependent on chance of getting the disease. Over time that number changes and odds with this variant are more likely than the time period and location the RCTs for the vaccine were produced. Further, there are ramifications of a single illness because it does not stop at that. We can’t assess absolute risk in a vacuum when the transmissibility is ever changing this changing the denominator. To be fair the relative risk worsened with delta as well as referenced several pages ago. By about 5-6% worse. Which is still excellent for a respiratory virus vaccine.

[principal]

I don’t think you’re completely joking so I will respond, but have you any clue who is in the hospital and why they’re there? There are only so many beds and as I mentioned earlier the beds for those with the conditions you mentioned are not all occupied at once. Communicable disease is not nearly the same as the chronic conditions you referenced, many of which have genetic predisposition. (Side note: colonoscopies don’t prevent colon cancer.)

It just seems like you’re making an argument just to spite the vaccine. Perhaps since you enjoy statistics and RCTs so much you can explain to principal why relative risk reduction is probably more important than absolute risk reduction in communicable disease as well. I will get the ball rolling: Absolute risk is all dependent on chance of getting the disease. Over time that number changes and odds with this variant are more likely than the time period and location the RCTs for the vaccine were produced. Further, there are ramifications of a single illness because it does not stop at that. We can’t assess absolute risk in a vacuum when the transmissibility is ever changing this changing the denominator. To be fair the relative risk worsened with delta as well as referenced several pages ago. By about 5-6% worse. Which is still excellent for a respiratory virus vaccine.

I think what MiD may have been saying is that there are risk factors that are being ignored in regards to COVID, such as obesity. I tend to believe that the overall poor health and poor nutrition of Americans is a significant factor in how much serious illness and death we have seen relative to other nations. But the American medical system is obsessed with drugs and surgery, it is heavily ingrained in how we think about health and how to achieve it - and that includes the common person as well as the majority of medical schools and the majority of doctors practicing medicine. I don’t think it is accidental that drugs and surgery are huge money makers, because this nation is also obsessed with material wealth.

If Americans were healthier and quit abdicating their health to medical professionals who have been trained to medicate and cut, might we have had a different outcome in regards to this pandemic?

Principal

[Xville]

I think what MiD may have been saying is that there are risk factors that are being ignored in regards to COVID, such as obesity. I tend to believe that the overall poor health and poor nutrition of Americans is a significant factor in how much serious illness and death we have seen relative to other nations. But the American medical system is obsessed with drugs and surgery, it is heavily ingrained in how we think about health and how to achieve it - and that includes the common person as well as the majority of medical schools and the majority of doctors practicing medicine. I don’t think it is accidental that drugs and surgery are huge money makers, because this nation is also obsessed with material wealth.

If Americans were healthier and quit abdicating their health to medical professionals who have been trained to medicate and cut, might we have had a different outcome in regards to this pandemic?

Principal

That’s not what mid was saying. What he said, is in his statement, what you said is a separate argument. Sure, if the country was a bit healthier, the pandemic may be marginally better here. However, then what is Italy’s excuse since they are one of the healthiest countries in the world? Our culture here is probably just as big of a factor as overall health as it relates to covid. Plus, a virus is going to do what a virus is going to do.

[Lloyd Braun]

I think what MiD may have been saying is that there are risk factors that are being ignored in regards to COVID, such as obesity. I tend to believe that the overall poor health and poor nutrition of Americans is a significant factor in how much serious illness and death we have seen relative to other nations. But the American medical system is obsessed with drugs and surgery, it is heavily ingrained in how we think about health and how to achieve it - and that includes the common person as well as the majority of medical schools and the majority of doctors practicing medicine. I don’t think it is accidental that drugs and surgery are huge money makers, because this nation is also obsessed with material wealth.

If Americans were healthier and quit abdicating their health to medical professionals who have been trained to medicate and cut, might we have had a different outcome in regards to this pandemic?

Principal

The second part of your post couldn’t be so far off…The medical community is one of if not the biggest proponents of physical activity and preventative measures. It’s almost as if you are putting poor outcomes on the medical community as insane as that sounds. I know you aren’t but it’s one step away. The medical model is based on evidenced based medicine which often times requires prescribing a pill or cutting. Americans definitely need to take their own health into their hands but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t turn to their doctor to help in this. That should be the first place you go.