Covid-19

[xu82]

I truly feel bad for your son. I’ve sat in ER triage for hours at least a dozen times with broken bones, dislocated limbs and sometimes not knowing where I am. It sucks. It’s painful and you see awful things that put your situation in perspective.

However, your argument was based on healthcare system stresses. My disgust is not with the 30% of fellow travelers but with the sick Franken docs who toy with these viruses and have the nerve to pass the responsibility for the consequences onto the masses. Pure Sociopaths.

Is there a reason we cannot be upset with both?

[Strange Brew]

Is there a reason we cannot be upset with both?

Sure. That’s your choice but your tilting at windmills at this point with the unvaxxed. While they’re not imaginary your affect on their choice is. Frankly, the more they’re pushed the more reluctant they’re going to be.

[principal]

It is not likely, it is certain:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-adm...041815613.html

In fact, it is all lined out for the next five plus years:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-wan...120241706.html

Dr Fauci only wants a few billion per year to prepare vaccines now for possible future pandemics. But it’s the few folks who are against vaccines that are doing it for the money.

[boozehound]

Sure. That’s your choice but your tilting at windmills at this point with the unvaxxed. While they’re not imaginary your affect on their choice is. Frankly, the more they’re pushed the more reluctant they’re going to be.

The longer you follow this argument the more absurd the stances it's forcing you to take.

You blame the medical system for not being able to handle a once in a lifetime Pandemic vs. the people who chose not to get a safe and effective vaccine to prevent their hospitalization?

I think it's fine to want to understand the origins of the virus, etc. and if it did come from a lab that's a BIG deal, but I don't think it absolves blame from anybody else.

I don't agree with your point that the 30% are hopeless cases either. I think maybe 10% are, the rest are people that have consumed way too much misinformation. I know of at least on person who got the vaccine after being 'against it' due to pressure from work. Oddly - their biggest concern with getting the vax was that they didn't want their friend group to find out, which tells you how this has ceased to become a medical issue for many and has become a political one.

[boozehound]

In fact, it is all lined out for the next five plus years:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-wan...120241706.html

Dr Fauci only wants a few billion per year to prepare vaccines now for possible future pandemics. But it’s the few folks who are against vaccines that are doing it for the money.

I'm sorry, but what is your argument? A few billion dollars really isn't that much money, and I sure as shit hope that we are preparing vaccines for possible future pandemics.

Are you against all medical research, or just vaccines? You do know that Fauci doesn't get to keep that money right? It's not being paid to him personally, it's for research.

[Muskie in dayton]

The longer you follow this argument the more absurd the stances it's forcing you to take.

You blame the medical system for not being able to handle a once in a lifetime Pandemic vs. the people who chose not to get a safe and effective vaccine to prevent their hospitalization?

I think it's fine to want to understand the origins of the virus, etc. and if it did come from a lab that's a BIG deal, but I don't think it absolves blame from anybody else.

I don't agree with your point that the 30% are hopeless cases either. I think maybe 10% are, the rest are people that have consumed way too much misinformation. I know of at least on person who got the vaccine after being 'against it' due to pressure from work. Oddly - their biggest concern with getting the vax was that they didn't want their friend group to find out, which tells you how this has ceased to become a medical issue for many and has become a political one.

First bold: I assume you refer to the argument that the more society coerces, the more recalcitrant the unvaxxed become? If so, this is human nature. It amounts to nothing more than bullying, and many refuse to be bullied. People are motivated in different ways, and this is a poor tactic. By the way, did you know the largest unvaxxed educational group is people with PhD's?

Second bold: This is absolutely not a "once in a lifetime" pandemic. Many of us on this board are old enough to remember small pox: twice as contagious and nearly 100x as deadly as COVID-19. There are also some folks alive who lived through the polio epidemic: roughly as contagious as small pox, but even more deadly. It also comes with the added issue of paralysis for many. Kind of makes "long COVID" seem trivial. The fact that this "once in a lifetime pandemic" line is circulating shows just how much misinformation is out there. Real misinformation, not just the kind that contradicts a narrative.

Third bold: neither here nor there to the argument, but there really is no "if" about it. The forensics point that direction, and the "Fauci emails" acknowledged it.

[paulxu]

By the way, did you know the largest unvaxxed educational group is people with PhD's?

It looks to me that the largest unvaxxed group have high school or less,43%
The next largest are some college 39%
And those with college or more are 18%

What am I missing?

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covi...itor-analysis/

[Xville]

First bold: I assume you refer to the argument that the more society coerces, the more recalcitrant the unvaxxed become? If so, this is human nature. It amounts to nothing more than bullying, and many refuse to be bullied. People are motivated in different ways, and this is a poor tactic. By the way, did you know the largest unvaxxed educational group is people with PhD's?

Second bold: This is absolutely not a "once in a lifetime" pandemic. Many of us on this board are old enough to remember small pox: twice as contagious and nearly 100x as deadly as COVID-19. There are also some folks alive who lived through the polio epidemic: roughly as contagious as small pox, but even more deadly. It also comes with the added issue of paralysis for many. Kind of makes "long COVID" seem trivial. The fact that this "once in a lifetime pandemic" line is circulating shows just how much misinformation is out there. Real misinformation, not just the kind that contradicts a narrative.

Third bold: neither here nor there to the argument, but there really is no "if" about it. The forensics point that direction, and the "Fauci emails" acknowledged it.

What does the largest unvaxxed group having phds (if that is even true, which I doubt) have to do anything? Congratulations they went to school for longer than a lot of us. Are you implying they are smart? Because I don’t buy that either. They may be booksmart, which just gives them a bunch of letters after their name.

[Strange Brew]

It looks to me that the largest unvaxxed group have high school or less,43%
The next largest are some college 39%
And those with college or more are 18%

What am I missing?

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covi...itor-analysis/

The majority of the unvaxxed have some college. Only about 25-30% of the pop has a degree. So you’re are argument about the uneducated not getting the vax is missing data/facts.

[paulxu]

The majority of the unvaxxed have some college. Only about 25-30% of the pop has a degree. So you’re are argument about the uneducated not getting the vax is missing data/facts.

I was commenting on the notion that the "largest" group of unvaccinated people have PHD's.
That's hard to imagine if the group is only 18% of the unvaccinated.