Covid-19

[Strange Brew]

And thru that process, you come to a conclusion or answer.

Where do you feel we are in the process on COVID? Do we have a definitive conclusion?

[Xville]

Where do you feel we are in the process on COVID? Do we have a definitive conclusion?

That’s a pretty loaded general question.

[xu82]

Where do you feel we are in the process on COVID? Do we have a definitive conclusion?

Absolutely NOT!


But sometimes it’s best to act on the knowledge you DO have rather than waiting for answers for the questions that remain. I weighed what we knew vs what we didn’t, and made a call. That is up to each individual for now. There may soon be greater consequences for not playing along, however. A couple NFL coaches are now unemployed as a result of refusing vaccination. My wife’s employer also plans to require vaccination to return to the office, though that date has been moved back again.

This will keep evolving, and we will have to keep adapting in various ways.

[Strange Brew]

Absolutely NOT!


But sometimes it’s best to act on the knowledge you DO have rather than waiting for answers for the questions that remain. I weighed what we knew vs what we didn’t, and made a call. That is up to each individual for now. There may soon be greater consequences for not playing along, however. A couple NFL coaches are now unemployed as a result of refusing vaccination. My wife’s employer also plans to require vaccination to return to the office, though that date has been moved back again.

This will keep evolving, and we will have to keep adapting in various ways.

Agree and did the same.

Others chose a different path. All good.

[bobbiemcgee]

I bet your TV told you that, didn’t it? How about go look at some actual data.

Nope. Common sense. You should try some.

[Muskie in dayton]

Nope. Common sense. You should try some.

That’s what I thought.

[xu82]

Agree and did the same.

Others chose a different path. All good.

I’ll open myself up to fire for being fully transparent, but I wish they would get the shot because it appears most evidence suggests that is best for the individuals and the world as a whole.

But ignore my opinion there. It’s your body, it’s your life, and you do your thing.

That may get more complicated as we move along, but I’m not telling anyone else what to do.

[Muskie in dayton]

I just don’t see the correlation with latitude. I’ve seen the attempt to overlay graphs and for whatever reason I don’t see it. Covid may have peaks at various times but it has been year round regardless of latitude. Human behaviors have been shown to directly affect covid numbers, because it is a respiratory virus. By nature there must be other people around to transmit the virus. Last summer I remember reading all the Hope Simpson data when I believe you posted it then and I was not convinced. It seemed like a fancy way of saying “virus gonna virus” and our behaviors do not impact it as much. And it doesn’t really hold water for covid as time goes on. Flu goes away for months while covid has been perpetual and seems to withstand varying temperatures better.

However I think it shows how intertwined we are globally. That our behaviors eventually impact those on the other side of the globe. In spite of breakthrough cases this will be proven to be a disease burden driven largely by those without any immunity. We will see breakthrough and repeat cases but the more data accumulated points to the conclusion that the majority of viral load is in those that are unvaccinated without natural immunity.

Predicting a big drop in cases was mentioned in the video principal posted as well which is usually what happens. I’m not so sure it will be in 10 days in this state as I have seen a huge spike the last 3-5 days. But it will happen because people change their behaviors during spikes. Deep down nobody wants this illness and when there are regional spikes people scale back their behaviors. Which to the point of Dr ZDogg is a good reason to not have lockdowns. Human nature takes over…

I'm not sure why you don't see the correlation. But tell me, do you really believe that India, for example, saw cases drop from 400k/day to 50k/day in a matter of a couple weeks just by their collective individual actions? We already know that government mandated NPIs don't change the trajectory, so I find it impossible that it would. If you really believe so, that's way too idealistic for me and we'll need to agree to disagree.

Also, the flu doesn't go away - it just peaks and valleys at different places around the globe, well, seasonally... exactly how Hope-Simpson said. Sure COVID has higher peaks and valleys, but the patterns are very similar.

I'll also address your comment about this being a pandemic of the unvaccinated (pay attention Bobbie). A practical example is Iceland, which is the only country I've seen provide comprehensive differentiation in their positive test data by vaccination status. The % vaccinated cases is comparable to the % of the population vaccinated (~70%).

This is not an indictment of the vax - in fact the vast majority of the vaccinated cases are irrelevant because the are so minor. But it is a recognition that vaccination won't end this. I'll say this until I'm blue in the face: Get vaccinated if you believe that's best (I believe it is for most), and go about your life. If you don't believe it's best, take the risk and go about your life. Either way, go about your life.

[Lloyd Braun]

I'm not sure why you don't see the correlation. But tell me, do you really believe that India, for example, saw cases drop from 400k/day to 50k/day in a matter of a couple weeks just by their collective individual actions? We already know that government mandated NPIs don't change the trajectory, so I find it impossible that it would. If you really believe so, that's way too idealistic for me and we'll need to agree to disagree.

Also, the flu doesn't go away - it just peaks and valleys at different places around the globe, well, seasonally... exactly how Hope-Simpson said. Sure COVID has higher peaks and valleys, but the patterns are very similar.

I'll also address your comment about this being a pandemic of the unvaccinated (pay attention Bobbie). A practical example is Iceland, which is the only country I've seen provide comprehensive differentiation in their positive test data by vaccination status. The % vaccinated cases is comparable to the % of the population vaccinated (~70%).

This is not an indictment of the vax - in fact the vast majority of the vaccinated cases are irrelevant because the are so minor. But it is a recognition that vaccination won't end this. I'll say this until I'm blue in the face: Get vaccinated if you believe that's best (I believe it is for most), and go about your life. If you don't believe it's best, take the risk and go about your life. Either way, go about your life.

India’s covid spike took place over a matter of months. It really started to increase beginning of March, peaked beginning of May, and returned back towards a reasonable rate in July. When you are at 400k+ cases/day (reported, likely much higher actuality) the number of available hosts decreases drastically, even in India. Not to mention they were vaccinating quite a few people at that time. I don’t know all that occurred there but it seems that their healthcare system collapsed in several places. So yes I suppose we disagree as I believe they reached a point of rock bottom and changed behavior. It’s human nature in that situation.

At every latitude the flu goes away every year. Covid does not. Their patterns are not very similar. I’m sure there is a latitude that has a similar pattern but I don’t see it. I would be open to data but I was looking directly at his book from 40 years ago or whatever and I see a definitive seasonal virus with the flu that disappears in the summer. Not so much with covid. Some of that may be due to viral behavior but there is human impact on both and most likely due to ventilation.

Iceland has done a great job jabbing at over 90% vaccination rate ages 16+. Hospitalizations have been minimal and they’ve had 1 death in 2021. I do not know enough details about their cases but I do find it ironic you use their case number as an example yet months ago question the cases due to CT values. Check out the CT values in Iceland and see who they are testing and I think you may change your tune on them.

The disease burden remains driven by the unvaccinated without natural immunity. Note I did not just say “unvaccinated” as I do believe those with natural immunity are not driving the burden of disease. By burden, I mean hospitalizations, death, cost, etc. Viral loads are high in those without prior immunity, natural or vaccinated, and when viral load is higher there is more transmission. I am seeing this in real life in a sample size that is reasonable. Many households have couples where one chooses to vaccinate and the other does not. So far 100% of the symptomatic breakthrough infections I have seen this week have likely come from the unvaccinated spouse or household member. That is why I believe vaccination would end this if it were possible to get everyone on board. When the antibody titers are high, we do not see infection or transmission. Here is more data to support that from Moderna.

[XU_Lou]

Resistance is definitely growing against the elitist frauds and liars:

In Paris: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62447

In TN: https://twitter.com/_Mrtdogg/status/1425442121054662663

In N. KY: https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...81517983604739

In Canada the Ontario Civil Liberties Association published this open letter:

"It is entirely reasonable and legitimate to say ‘no’ to insufficiently tested vaccines for which there is no reliable science. You have a right to assert guardianship of your body and to refuse medical treatments if you see fit. You are right to say ‘no’ to a violation of your dignity, your integrity and your bodily autonomy. It is your body, and you have the right to choose. You are right to fight for your children against their mass vaccination in school.

You are right to question whether free and informed consent is at all possible under present circumstances. Long-term effects are unknown. Transgenerational effects are unknown. Vaccine-induced deregulation of natural immunity is unknown. Potential harm is unknown as the adverse event reporting is delayed, incomplete and inconsistent between jurisdictions.

You are inaccurately accused of being a factory for new SARS-CoV-2 variants, when in fact, according to leading scientists, your natural immune system generates immunity to multiple components of the virus. This will promote your protection against a vast range of viral variants and abrogates further spread to anyone else.

You are justified in demanding independent peer-reviewed studies, not funded by multinational pharmaceutical companies. All the peer-reviewed studies of short-term safety and short-term efficacy have been funded, organized, coordinated, and supported by these for-profit corporations; and none of the study data have been made public or available to researchers who don’t work for these companies."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/vaccin...heLibertyDaily

https://ocla.ca/a-letter-to-the-unvaccinated/