Covid-19

[GoMuskies]

I certainly don't think the government has earned the trust some give it, though. I can definitely understand some people doubting the "mainstream narrative", particularly when people seem so eager to censor those who even question that narrative. It wasn't long ago that Facebook and Twitter were censoring people who claimed Covid leaked from the lab in Wuhan, and every major network called that a "conspiracy theory". It's shit like that that keeps the kookier "conspiracy theories" viable. I mean, we KNOW our government lies to us and keeps information from us. Sometimes it's hard to figure out WHEN they're lying, so some people default to the government is ALWAYS lying.

And then, sometimes the government and its agencies aren't lying but are just wrong.

[boozehound]

That's a very fair point RE: trust in the government. With respect to Vaccines though, I look at it as trusting the entirety of the medical community more than specifically trusting the government. I also think you can look at the motive a little bit to help decide the government's incentive to lie, and I'm not really sure exactly what would be 'in it' for the government to lie about the vaccine being (at least predominately) safe and effective.

Now it is looking a little less effective against Delta, but still pretty effective.

[XU_Lou]

https://www.businessinsider.com/sher...s-money-2021-8

And this is why people spread misinformation. they know there are plenty of stupid people out there who will eat this crap up and make the original source a whole lot of money. No moral compass, no conscience.

Do you mean comments like these:

To me, I'm worried about as much as I would be with the flu. I know its "different" but older people and compromised individuals die from that as well.

I just think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion much like everything else in our world lately. H1n1 was ten years ago and up to this point was more deadly and the narrative was everyone just stay calm...now its freak out, panic, change your lives. The "media" and social media fucking sucks I'm sorry

Anyone else think those death projections are complete nonsense and just a way to scare people into staying home? Btw I'm fine with that, but I still think those numbers are complete bs

Because I absolutely do not believe 10 million people are going to be infected with this in the us. That surpasses every country's percentage by an astronomical amount that have had it in their country for far longer. Now I understand not everyone has been tested and it hasnt played out completely etc but let's take italy for example...60 million people, about 100k confirmed...let's just say it's really like 600k infected....correspondingly given same percentages that would be 3 million affected in the us. Even at 2 percent which I think is high that's 60,000 deaths.

[GoMuskies]

Well, XVille was right not to believe that only 10 million people in the US were going to be infected with Covid. Oh, he didn't say "only"?

[Xville]

Do you mean comments like these:

your troll shtick is tired. Yep I was wrong, already said that.

[principal]

when his argument is based on anecdotal evidence and conjecture, there is little point in addressing his statements.

Your unvaccinated buddy almost died, 600k plus have died, there is mountains of evidence that the vaccines help, yet you are still undecided because of accounts of videos such as the one you posted above.

The vaccine contains a government tracking system used to control all of us. Maybe I’ll go search for a video where that is stated and post the link here so you can try to provide an argument for why that’s incorrect.

Your zeal has affected your ability to be objective. I’ve stated previously that as best I can tell the vaccine (if we allow it is a vaccine) does what it was designed to do - not prevent infection, but reduce the risk of serious illness and death. Everything I have read indicated this is true. What I am not persuaded about is that which no one can rationally be persuaded about - how long immunity lasts and the potential negative long term affects of the vaccine. These are things that are factually unknowable at this time. You have decided the rewards outweigh the risks. I am undecided - which is the only rational conclusion in the college absence of evidence - and especially in light of evidence coming out of the UK, India, and other places. You don’t have to be objective, I just wish you wouldn’t pretend that you are.

Principal

[principal]

The difference is that vaccines are based on actual science.

But that is the problem, the scientific questions about which every human on earth is presently ignorant, namely how long immunity lasts and how safe the new vaccines are, are unanswered. If you want to draw final conclusions out of ignorance that is your choice. I remain uncertain, and therefore I remain undecided in regards to these particular questions.

Principal

[Xville]

Your zeal has affected your ability to be objective. I’ve stated previously that as best I can tell the vaccine (if we allow it is a vaccine) does what it was designed to do - not prevent infection, but reduce the risk of serious illness and death. Everything I have read indicated this is true. What I am not persuaded about is that which no one can rationally be persuaded about - how long immunity lasts and the potential negative long term affects of the vaccine. These are things that are factually unknowable at this time. You have decided the rewards outweigh the risks. I am undecided - which is the only rational conclusion in the college absence of evidence - and especially in light of evidence coming out of the UK, India, and other places. You don’t have to be objective, I just wish you wouldn’t pretend that you are.

Principal

Kind of like the "doctor" in the video

[XU_Lou]

your troll shtick is tired. Yep I was wrong, already said that.

Kind of like the "doctor" in the video

Self-awareness, my friend, self-awareness....

From you just earlier today:

Neither is posting a video of a “doctor” who presents his opinion as fact based on anecdotal evidence and misinformation.

when his argument is based on anecdotal evidence and conjecture, there is little point in addressing his statements.

And yet!! - you engage in the exact same thing that you accuse the doctor of - except you had ZERO data to back up your statements / opinions / "misinformation" re-published in my previous post!

[GoMuskies]

America's chief mass murderer has resigned as Governor of New York.