Covid-19

[Lloyd Braun]

Gene therapy alters your genetic material. The covid vaccines do not, they are not gene therapy. The vaccines give your cells a code to create the spike protein and spit it out into circulation. More traditional vaccine development would have taken years to develop, study, manufacture. This isn’t to say the mRNA vaccines are superior to a traditional approach (they may or may not be) but that this avenue of getting widespread immunity was clearly the best avenue.

Focusing on deaths alone really diminishes the severity and cost of the disease. Sure 99% survive but in the 99% are those with long term complications, those that came to near death experiences, those that hospitalized and recovered completely, those that had mild symptoms and sought treatment, those that had no symptoms and sought treatment, those that didn’t seek treatment whatsoever. That’s still a lot of cost and burden to the healthcare system.

The domino effect of having this disease linger is immeasurable. Many routine preventative care measures are still being pushed back. Personal choice only goes so far. It is a personal choice to get vaccinated but it is a personal choice that affects a lot of people.

For those questioning fertility there is an easily found study from a urology group that found the disease to be found in reproductive tissue and decrease fertility in many male patients. Conversely there is evidence the vaccine does not affect male fertility. Also who wants erectile dysfunction?

Some of that is stated in jest but there is good quality hard (see what I did there) data that can be found if you look. It’s difficult for laypeople without medical background to find and interpret data. That is why we turn to and listen to medical professionals when we seek advice. What percentage of medical professionals recommend the vaccine? Has to be near upper 90s % as I have yet to encounter more than one or two in person.

[paulxu]

What does being college educated have to do with anything when it comes to making personal choices?

Hopefully an increased ability to discern fact from fiction.

[Strange Brew]

Gene therapy alters your genetic material. The covid vaccines do not, they are not gene therapy. The vaccines give your cells a code to create the spike protein and spit it out into circulation. More traditional vaccine development would have taken years to develop, study, manufacture. This isn’t to say the mRNA vaccines are superior to a traditional approach (they may or may not be) but that this avenue of getting widespread immunity was clearly the best avenue.

Focusing on deaths alone really diminishes the severity and cost of the disease. Sure 99% survive but in the 99% are those with long term complications, those that came to near death experiences, those that hospitalized and recovered completely, those that had mild symptoms and sought treatment, those that had no symptoms and sought treatment, those that didn’t seek treatment whatsoever. That’s still a lot of cost and burden to the healthcare system.

The domino effect of having this disease linger is immeasurable. Many routine preventative care measures are still being pushed back. Personal choice only goes so far. It is a personal choice to get vaccinated but it is a personal choice that affects a lot of people.

For those questioning fertility there is an easily found study from a urology group that found the disease to be found in reproductive tissue and decrease fertility in many male patients. Conversely there is evidence the vaccine does not affect male fertility. Also who wants erectile dysfunction?

Some of that is stated in jest but there is good quality hard (see what I did there) data that can be found if you look. It’s difficult for laypeople without medical background to find and interpret data. That is why we turn to and listen to medical professionals when we seek advice. What percentage of medical professionals recommend the vaccine? Has to be near upper 90s % as I have yet to encounter more than one or two in person.

Right, it doesn’t alter the cells but they’re are also not traditional vaccines. Calling them vaccines or gene therapy is a matter of semantics. Either way doesn’t matter to me but people should be allowed to choose if an experimental immune boosting vaccine/therapy is right for them.

[Lloyd Braun]

Right, it doesn’t alter the cells but they’re are also not traditional vaccines. Calling them vaccines or gene therapy is a matter of semantics. Either way doesn’t matter to me but people should be allowed to choose if an experimental immune boosting vaccine/therapy is right for them.

Where do you draw the line in “experimental”?

When is it no longer an experiment?

[Strange Brew]

Where do you draw the line in “experimental”?

When is it no longer an experiment?

Where do you draw the line? I’m not pushing anything on others.

More clearly: what is you health risk tolerance for other people?

[Smails]

Hopefully an increased ability to discern fact from fiction.

Wow...well at least your cards are shown. Yeah..because all of those Art History and Anthropology graduates have sooooo much more common sense than the blue collar workers out there.

[noteggs]

Hopefully an increased ability to discern fact from fiction.

Unfortunately it didn’t help the loon doctor from Ohio - Dr Tenpenny

[XU_Lou]

Gene therapy alters your genetic material. The covid vaccines do not, they are not gene therapy.

Right, it doesn’t alter the cells but they’re are also not traditional vaccines. Calling them vaccines or gene therapy is a matter of semantics. Either way doesn’t matter to me but people should be allowed to choose if an experimental immune boosting vaccine/therapy is right for them.

Actually, Moderna DOES call them a gene therapy product. It's right here in their SEC filing:

"Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA."

https://investors.modernatx.com/stat...7-78b32f244125

[Lloyd Braun]

Where do you draw the line? I’m not pushing anything on others.

More clearly: what is you health risk tolerance for other people?

I didn’t make a suggestion that the vaccines shouldn’t be “pushed” because they are in experimental phase, you did. Which is a different argument than they shouldn’t be pushed because it’s a personal choice.

[Lloyd Braun]

Actually, Moderna DOES call them a gene therapy product. It's right here in their SEC filing:

"Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA."

https://investors.modernatx.com/stat...7-78b32f244125

mRNA medication that treats tumors among other diseases is very different than the vaccine. In your link provided it does not call the influenza vaccine that it is studying “gene therapy,” it calls it a vaccine. The potential medication for tumors are considered gene therapy because they modify the genetic makeup of the cells they enter. The vaccines they are studying do not.