Covid-19

[principal]

Interesting article out of Britain, whose media seems to be somewhat more open than ours has been lately, at least as it pertains to COVID:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive...200926985.html

The article claims that over half of those who tested positive for COVID tested positive *after* being admitted, which suggests that many of them were hospitalized for other reasons and should not have been counted as COVID hospitalizations. There is a lot to consider - maybe some were sick with COVID and didn't know it, for example. That does not change the fact that their admission should not have counted as as COVID admission, but it does not change the fact that they were in the hospital for COVID (assuming this was the case). I don't think we will ever get the straight scoop on these things, whether in Britain or the US, especially with how political it has become and with the additional money involved for each COVID hospitalization (at least in the US).

What a mess.

Principal

Principal

[XU_Lou]

Another study confirming the Cleveland Clinic study from last month. This was published on July 14 in a peer-reviewed journal:

Summary:

Ending the COVID-19 pandemic will require long-lived immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Here, we evaluate 254 COVID-19 patients longitudinally up to 8 months and find durable broad-based immune responses. SARS-CoV-2 spike binding and neutralizing antibodies exhibit a bi-phasic decay with an extended half-life of >200 days suggesting the generation of longer-lived plasma cells. SARS-CoV-2 infection also boosts antibody titers to SARS-CoV-1 and common betacoronaviruses. In addition, spike-specific IgG+ memory B cells persist, which bodes well for a rapid antibody response upon virus re-exposure or vaccination. Virus-specific CD4+ and CD8+ T cells are polyfunctional and maintained with an estimated half-life of 200 days. Interestingly, CD4+ T cell responses equally target several SARS-CoV-2 proteins, whereas the CD8+ T cell responses preferentially target the nucleoprotein, highlighting the potential importance of including the nucleoprotein in future vaccines. Taken together, these results suggest that broad and effective immunity may persist long-term in recovered COVID-19 patients.

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-me...elatedArticles

[XU_Lou]

Dr. Brytney Cobia said Monday that all but one of her COVID patients in Alabama did not receive the vaccine. The vaccinated patient, she said, just needed a little oxygen and is expected to fully recover. Some of the others are dying. "I'm admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections," wrote Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, in an emotional Facebook post Sunday. "One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late."

Alabama has one of the nation's lowest vaccination rates, which is contributing to rising infection totals and climbing hospitalization rates in the state. Avoidable tragedies are becoming more common.

Cobia added, "A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same.

"They cry. And they tell me they didn't know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn't get as sick. They thought it was 'just the flu'. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can't. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives."

Reflecting on the patients who believed misinformation, the Alabama doctor -- whose accounts have not been independently verified -- went on to say, " you really see is their fear and their regret. And even though I may walk into the room thinking, 'Okay, this is your fault, you did this to yourself,' when I leave the room, I just see a person that's really suffering, and that is so regretful for the choice that they made."

I find myself thinking about this often in recent weeks. We see so many people making the wrong choice, buying into nonsense, and rejecting safe and readily available vaccines, followed by the heartbreaking reports that soon follow. And I suspect some will see these developments and say those who are suffering are undeserving of sympathy.

After all, the argument goes, these folks were given an opportunity to do the responsible thing, and they ignored it."

Lib conspiracy? Dr. Cobia had to go underground due to death threats.

Hook, line and sinker - Bobbie and the rest of the gullible left believed this story, that even I was able to debunk with simple data analysis!

Now this: "Brytney Cobia completely fabricated her story, and her name doesn’t even appear in the hospital’s directory. In fact, the hospital has not admitted a single pediatric patient for covid-19 since their data was made available, a year ago."

And yet, people like Bobbie keep believing everything their masters in the media tell them!

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021...A3aba%E1%B8%A5

And BTW, "A John Hopkins’s study finds that there have been zero covid deaths among healthy children across the nation, so there is zero justification to vaccinate kids."

[Xville]

Gee you mean things posted on Facebook aren’t all true? Who knew! Man, thank goodness we have you to save us from this media tyranny. Lol

Meanwhile, your overlord fringe websites that you continually quote and praise as if they were some golden calf aren’t misleading at all, right? A study of 48k children that was done for 4 whole months equates to zero justification for vaccinations of kids. Dr makary whose team of researchers scrubbed the data actually said to paraphrase: if this trend holds true, then things may want to be looked at differently, and maybe one shot could be looked at as an option. You and your fringe websites are misleading pieces of crap that don’t understand viruses, also have biases (which for some reason you don’t think so) and speak in absolutes regarding things that need to continue to be researched and tested. you fall for it time and time again.

[xu82]

If you are at EITHER extreme, you are probably far from the truth.

[Muskie in dayton]

If you are at EITHER extreme, you are probably far from the truth.

If your entire purpose is to remain in the middle, you are probably too lazy to seek information to form your own opinion.

[xu82]

If your entire purpose is to remain in the middle, you are probably too lazy to seek information to form your own opinion.

It’s not my ”entire purpose” at all. I have found that both extremes have blind spots. They are innately biased. If you are on one extreme or the other, you may have missed that. If you pay attention, you realize both extremes cannot be correct. If you are sure you are always right, and the other person is always wrong, you may be too lazy to be looking for the truth.

[principal]

Hook, line and sinker - Bobbie and the rest of the gullible left believed this story, that even I was able to debunk with simple data analysis!

Now this: "Brytney Cobia completely fabricated her story, and her name doesn’t even appear in the hospital’s directory. In fact, the hospital has not admitted a single pediatric patient for covid-19 since their data was made available, a year ago."

And yet, people like Bobbie keep believing everything their masters in the media tell them!

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021...A3aba%E1%B8%A5

And BTW, "A John Hopkins’s study finds that there have been zero covid deaths among healthy children across the nation, so there is zero justification to vaccinate kids."

Whoa, that’s quite a bombshell, if true. I’ve had conversations with several people who have referenced the original article. Have you had a chance to verify the graphic posted at the Twitter link? I’d like to see that at the actual hospital website before I buy in fully.

Principal

[principal]

Gee you mean things posted on Facebook aren’t all true? Who knew! Man, thank goodness we have you to save us from this media tyranny. Lol

Meanwhile, your overlord fringe websites that you continually quote and praise as if they were some golden calf aren’t misleading at all, right? A study of 48k children that was done for 4 whole months equates to zero justification for vaccinations of kids. Dr makary whose team of researchers scrubbed the data actually said to paraphrase: if this trend holds true, then things may want to be looked at differently, and maybe one shot could be looked at as an option. You and your fringe websites are misleading pieces of crap that don’t understand viruses, also have biases (which for some reason you don’t think so) and speak in absolutes regarding things that need to continue to be researched and tested. you fall for it time and time again.

To say that not every story on Facebook is true misses the point. Some of us are honestly trying to discern what is going on with COVID, is the vaccine safe, does it work, etc. In the meantime, lies are being propagated at every turn. You may have your mind made up on every issue, but not everyone does. I want compete and accurate information before I make up my mind and it is difficult to obtain. This story wasn’t just posted on Facebook. It was propagated all over the place. I saw it at Yahoo!.com, USA today, business insider, and several other websites picked the story up and ran with it. But none of them were critical of it at all they just posted it as fact. It was posted here by Bobbie as fact. I didn’t see anyone jump in and question it other than XULou. I’m kind of glad he did because I took the story at face value. I’ve spoken to several people who have use that story to defend their position on vaccination. The point Lou is making is that there is a lot of propaganda out there and many people are not being critical of it when it comes from their favorite news source, whether right leaning or left leaning. To point out right leaning bias does not make left leaning bias disappear, the same is true for provax and antivax sources. Everyone should think critically of everything they read, regardless of the source of information.

Here is a link to the USA Today story via yahoo (the title of the link appears to have changed, but as of right now it still links to the original article):

https://news.yahoo.com/johnson-johns...080034738.html

[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like the right is finally coming around after 7 months:


https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ittle-too-late