Covid-19

[Xville]

More sciencey from the Mayo Clinic.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/do-i-stil...9/vid-20507033

Mayo Clinic? Those quacks? Nah I trust strange’s anecdotal family members narratives, instead of them, the cdc, who, Cleveland clinic, u Chicago med and hundreds of other reputable sources I can find on Twitter

[Xville]

So what? Also being told by sciencey people the vaccine may need boosters. Point? No one knows. What’s your point Paul? Everyone knows the vaccine is available and if you get it you personally are fine and likely so are people who’ve had it. Don’t know why it’s political except the mask and Wuhan Karen’s are mad their science gods were dead wrong about both. At this point we don’t have to wear our compliance face coverings, the vaccines are available, this did come from a Chinese lab and Fauci is not credible.

We should probably close this thread as this thing is pretty much over except some questions around the motivations of Fauci, the media and the CDC.

Huh? Did you even read the link? It directly says you should still get the vaccine if you had covid. That’s what is at debate here, nothing more.

[principal]

Mayo Clinic? Those quacks? Nah I trust strange’s anecdotal family members narratives, instead of them, the cdc, who, Cleveland clinic, u Chicago med and hundreds of other reputable sources I can find on Twitter

The Mayo Clinic article does not reference a single study, much less does it cite one so you can verify the data. And the statements there not only fly in the face of virtually all pre-COVID science regarding immunity, but it also flies in the face of every piece of evidence we have regarding COVID. After millions and millions of people have been infected with COVID worldwide are you aware of how many known cases of reinfection there have been? It is rare. No doubt the number is undercounted, but (a) it is well below the number of people infected post-vaccine and (b) the cases are generally mild or asymptomatic, meaning the immunity might not have completely prevented infection but it is preventing serious illness and death.

All of the data indicates the Mayo Clinic is wrong, along with the CDC.

Principal

[Strange Brew]

Huh? Did you even read the link? It directly says you should still get the vaccine if you had covid. That’s what is at debate here, nothing more.

That's the opinion of the Mayo clinic and it's frankly an individual choice a this point. What you were bringing to the board was that Rand Paul was wrong about the science. He's not and neither is the Mayo clinic. The effectiveness of the vaccine post infection is similar to having the vaccine and it doesn't hurt to get it if that is what you choose to do. Your article was political garbage likely posted because the editors at Yahoo are butthurt that Paul was right in his grilling of their demigod Fauci.

[Strange Brew]

reputable sources I can find on Twitter

Here's the problem with much of what is going on these days.

[Xville]

Here's the problem with much of what is going on these days.

You and I agree here... I actually meant to say than I can find on Twitter..in other words, I think Twitter is ridiculous

[Strange Brew]

You and I agree here... I actually meant to say than I can find on Twitter..in other words, I think Twitter is ridiculous

We do agree there and likely on the vaccine's necessity post infection. Don't understand why we can't just say, "Hey great work on the rushed vaccines. Sorry we were wrong on masks and Fauci lied about the Wuhan lab because he was neck deep in it" and move onto the next bracelet, ribbon, cause, etc.

[Muskie in dayton]

Wow, so now we've turned the debate to natural immunity. This will not end well for the deniers. Never before in the the history of infectious disease has a vaccine-induced immunity been better than natural immunity. Natural immunity to COVID-19 as shown no signs of waning.

If you want sources, there are...
Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime (nature.com)
...many...
COVID immunity may last for years, 'super-immunity' possible in certain cases: Dr. Siegel (msn.com)
...reputable...
Once a Covid hotspot, Italian village now intrigues researchers with 'super-immune' cases (nbcnews.com)
...and valid...
Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19 | National Institutes of Health (NIH)
...sources...
COVID-19 reinfection rate around 0.4%, Epic data suggests (beckershospitalreview.com)
...to support...
Johns Hopkins Professor Says Half Of Americans Have Natural Immunity To Coronavirus – Truth Unmuted
...this claim.
Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years | MIT Technology Review

If one wants to make this claim, the burden of proof falls on them. It doesn't mean natural immunity will last forever, but if natural immunity doesn't, then neither will vaccine-derived immunity. Natural is always better.

If any one individual or bureaucratic entity claims otherwise, their motives and or competency must be questioned.

[Muskie in dayton]

Not to beat a dead horse, but another mask-related study came out in pre-print demonstrating that mask mandates have no impact on community spread.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....18.21257385v1


This one was performed by the University of Louisville. I found that to be an ironic touch.

[Lloyd Braun]

Wow, so now we've turned the debate to natural immunity. This will not end well for the deniers. Never before in the the history of infectious disease has a vaccine-induced immunity been better than natural immunity.

This is false. HPV is one example. Not to mention the price paid for natural vs vaccinated immunity is TBD (varicella, rubella, and others for instance). Probably negligible but who knows? I can’t believe this is a real argument really. It was never a debate until now.