Covid-19

[GIMMFD]

This was released which all but confirms what I have seen clinically and commented on earlier:

Cerebral venous thrombosis: a retrospective cohort study of 513,284 confirmed COVID-19 cases and a comparison with 489,871 people receiving a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine

Basically 10 times higher incidence of blood clot in brain in covid patients than vaccine patients.

Yup, reading back a little bit to laugh at the hot takes in the thread, but had a patient today: 37 year old female, 3 weeks post COVID, no significant past medical history, slightly elevated d-dimer, DVT of the great saphenous vein, bilateral pulmonary embolisms, ground-glass opacities (obviously), no smoking history, no oral contraceptive history, no spontaneous abortions, no family history, etc. etc. Think you see what I'm getting at here.. clinically it's known COVID causes clotting disorders, wonder if there were any physicians, researchers, scientists involved in the federal government's decision to pause the J&J vaccine but I'd assume most likely not, or if so, they were suppressed by good ole' politics.

[Muskie in dayton]

For someone that claims to value randomized controlled trials so much you sure do pick and choose your variables quite a bit.

I didn't pick and choose anything. I also didn't devise the study. I simply provided the results of that study showing little spread among student athletes and that masks didn't make difference.

As usual, you didn't answer my question. Are you saying that the study is no good because they didn't include a particular sport? Are you saying you have evidence that including basketball would change the findings? Again, why does it matter?

[Lloyd Braun]

I didn't pick and choose anything. I also didn't devise the study. I simply provided the results of that study showing little spread among student athletes and that masks didn't make difference.

As usual, you didn't answer my question. Are you saying that the study is no good because they didn't include a particular sport? Are you saying you have evidence that including basketball would change the findings? Again, why does it matter?

Actually I probably answer your rhetorical questions probably more than anyone. This isn’t difficult and failing to connect the dots is a major issue with those that have extreme views. You have an extreme view whether you believe it or not, so I will connect the dots. Your initial quote:

Pre-print study shows almost no COVID transmission among high school athletes while playing their sport

Then I asked you to report on winter indoor sports, specifically basketball. Because... why would you apply the results of a study that included outdoor soccer or cross country to indoor basketball? They were played at different times of the year, with different incidences in covid locally, in different environments and social gatherings, different use of a ball, and the list goes on. The differences in “their sport” far outweighs similarities. Using a mask during cross country didn’t slow the spread? Wow that’s groundbreaking stuff there (sarcasm font).

Citing a study done in the fall during lower incidence (in Wisconsin nonetheless) and lower risk activities hardly validates the utility of masks and the risk of sports that are very different. The study may be good but you took data from that study and incorrectly applied it to other sports to make a blanket statement. Context matters.

[bobbiemcgee]

How will we get to the herd immunity level if a significant portion of adults refuse to get the vaccine?

No appt. needed in CO. Show up and get jabbed.

[paulxu]

A minute of levity on the one year anniversary:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1253474772702429189

[Muskie in dayton]

Then I asked you to report on winter indoor sports, specifically basketball. Because... why would you apply the results of a study that included outdoor soccer or cross country to indoor basketball?

No, you said "now do winter indoor sports". So so I provided what the study demonstrated on indoor sports (it clearly didn't take place in the winter). Then you said "The study didn't include basketball". But I never said it did, nor did I say basketball would be the same. But I will say based on the study results, that would be a valid hypothesis. However I appreciate that you saw patients who caught it playing basketball, and I recognize it could be different given the nature of the game.

Using a mask during cross country didnÂ’t slow the spread? Wow thatÂ’s groundbreaking stuff there (sarcasm font).

You don't think there are a lot of idiots out there who would be surprised by that? I've got news for you - some folks would advocate for cross country runners to wear 2 masks because of expelling a lot more air.

Citing a study done in the fall during lower incidence (in Wisconsin nonetheless)

You may want to check the case data in WI in the fall.

You consider my views extreme, but in most cases over the last year, my position has proven to be correct and eventually recognized over time: The net-negative effects of lockdowns, the lack of direct contact spread, children not acting as major vectors/largely being unaffected, the issues with the PCR test, seasonality as the primary driver for virus spread and NPIs doing little, just to name a few.

I content the only "extreme" views are those not supported by reality (note this is not directed at you, Lloyd, just generally speaking).

[MADXSTER]

Hey Docs

Do you think we will be out of the woods by the end of August/September? We will have a decent percentage of people vaccinated, summer weather slowing down the spread, those still getting Covid but then won't be getting it again or spreading it for a period of time. I don't think it will be gone but thinking that it will be dying out.

[Xville]

If there weren’t so many damn people refusing to get
Vaccinated, we would probably be at herd immunity right now, and we could be back to normal. 52% have at least one shot, need to get
to about 75%...worried that we may not get there.

[MADXSTER]

Well 52% is not bad IMO. We will still have May, June, July and August.

[xu82]

Well 52% is not bad IMO. We will still have May, June, July and August.

I’m think the problem will be less about having time to get the shots out, and more about the people who, for whatever reason, are not willing or able to get the shots. Just my guess and I’m not judging anyone. I had my shots quite a while ago, and it was no big deal for us.