Covid-19

[XU_Lou]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Yes, I was being serious.

So, if you die in a motorcycle accident, and test positive for Covid, it's listed as a Covid death. But if you die within hours or days after receiving the vaccine, it's something else. Oh, I get it. Why report the deaths on VAERS anyway?

[xu82]

Euros and the US can ban entry for any reason of a non citizen. Not even a good one. The airlines can require a vaccine and some choose to not. No gov’t of or within the US can ban travel within the States by US citizens. Not saying vaccines are a bad idea, I’ll get mine but the Gov’ts of the US are out of their depth with these mandates. Especially for this length of time. Even the War Powers Act has an expiration and its relatively short.

I’ll just say everyone is out of their depth when it comes to global pandemics, and we all need to do our best to get thru this as soon as possible. I’m certainly not claiming to have the answers, just expressing what I think is common sense.

[XU_Lou]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Yes, I was being serious.

I wonder why Newsweek says otherwise (as well as numerous other outlets). as of 3/8:

"Newsweek selected only deaths as an adverse event, and selected the COVID vaccine as the only vaccine in the dataset. We specified Pfizer and Moderna as the vaccine manufacturers. We also chose our symptom onset interval as "All days," which ranges from 0 to over 120 days. We did not specify gender or age in the overall results. Our time frame ran from the earliest possible dates, "before 1990," to ensure every COVID vaccine was included.

Our VAERS result showed 970 people died after being given a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine shot. Of those deaths, 495 occurred following a Moderna shot, and 475 occurred following a Pfizer shot. Newsweek contacted Pfizer and Moderna for comment."

So, yes, Paul, there have been deaths associated with vaccines.

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vacci...6-died-1574447

[paulxu]

Perhaps they should do what the CDC did: examine all the medical reports, look at all the clinical records, and the death certificates...finding no covid deaths.
There have obviously been people that died after they had received the vaccine. No evidence to date that the vaccine caused the death.

Edit: I assume the CDC looked at US deaths, finding none attributable to the vaccine. I believe there was a case early on (maybe in England?) where someone died from anaphylactic shock immediately after receiving the vaccine. Apparently this is possible in a very small percentage of the population, as it occurs with other types of situations. Hence the CDC guidelines you'll note in the article that everyone wait 20-30 minutes after receiving a shot, and the medical personnel are ready to treat this unusual condition.

[GoMuskies]

I'm pretty sure 100% of vaccine recipients are going to die.

[bjf123]

I have a friend who went into anaphylactic shock after getting the first dose. Don’t remember if it was Pfizer or Moderna. He spent some time in the ICU recovering. His doctor strongly recommends he not get the second shot, saying it will likely kill him. So, he’s not getting it.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

I have a friend who went into anaphylactic shock after getting the first dose. Don’t remember if it was Pfizer or Moderna. He spent some time in the ICU recovering. His doctor strongly recommends he not get the second shot, saying it will likely kill him. So, he’s not getting it.


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Yeah that makes sense. My understanding people with severe allergies (not sure if this applies to your friend) to many things are most at risk.

I had a pregnant employee get the pfizer who has a sort of allergic reaction, she went to the ER, was ok, I think just given benadryl. She waited until after she had the baby but did get the second shot.

At least the first shot wasn't a waste after all that for your friend, should have at least a good chunk of working vaccine in there after even just one dose.

[xu82]

I'm pretty sure 100% of vaccine recipients are going to die.

Is this the level of risk you take on your trips to Vegas?

You could sit in the lobby and watch them go by. “He’s gonna die. She’s gonna die. He’s gonna die...” That probably doesn’t pay off well, I’m guessing?

[bjf123]

At least the first shot wasn't a waste after all that for your friend, should have at least a good chunk of working vaccine in there after even just one dose.

Yep. That’s his take on it, too.


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[Strange Brew]

I’ll just say everyone is out of their depth when it comes to global pandemics, and we all need to do our best to get thru this as soon as possible. I’m certainly not claiming to have the answers, just expressing what I think is common sense.

I’m not arguing. Only stating it’s not prudent to give away too much freedom for this long. Masks are fine if biz/land owners prefer it. Requiring medical treatment and proof thereof to work or travel by the gov’t is not a freedom worth handing over.