Covid-19

[XU_Lou]

I don’t think anyone should be harassed but there very well may be aspects of society in which those who choose not to get vaccinated can’t participate. Certain jobs, especially medical ones will most likely start to require it (I have seen some already), schools probably will add it eventually (when kids under 16 start to be allowed to get it) to their list of required vaccinations.

I don’t want to hear those people bitch later on if they can’t do something bc they are not vaccinated.

I guess we're not going to have much of a military either:

https://americanconservativemovement...covid-vaccine/

[xu82]

Good points. Should someone who doesn’t get a vaccine due to their religion be denied entry to a business or employment? Masks are a separate issue. I have no problem with businesses requiring them. The Gov’t requirement poses Civil Liberty problems.

There will be people who refuse to get vaccinated. They have that right and I don’t begrudge them that. We will have no way of knowing who they are (under normal circumstances), so that’s that unless they want “something special”. If they are prohibited from travel or other such privileges, I’d have no problem with that. I’ve got my card showing my shot dates. Eventually I may need a new card.

We just need to learn to get by until we get further down the road and have a better understanding of the evolving virus. The more people who are willing to play along, the sooner we will all get there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You may not consider that to be harassing but I do. At the same time if that were the case, I think we would have already seen such cases.

How? There are several vaccines already required for those EXACT same situations I listed.

[xu82]

How? There are several vaccines already required for those EXACT same situations I listed.

Yeah, you need to prove shots to get your kid into school, and even to get your dog into boarding. Sometimes you just have to do it, whether you like it or not, or be left out of some things.

[Strange Brew]

There will be people who refuse to get vaccinated. They have that right and I don’t begrudge them that. We will have no way of knowing who they are (under normal circumstances), so that’s that unless they want “something special”. If they are prohibited from travel or other such privileges, I’d have no problem with that. I’ve got my card showing my shot dates. Eventually I may need a new card.

We just need to learn to get by until we get further down the road and have a better understanding of the evolving virus. The more people who are willing to play along, the sooner we will all get there.

I understand the sentiment but requiring a vaccine to travel freely within the country is a huge encroachment on basic Civil Rights. We’re been allowing travel before vaccines for this virus. With that precedent it would be a huge overreach and outside of the power of the US government.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I guess we're not going to have much of a military either:

https://americanconservativemovement...covid-vaccine/

Not sure how it works with the military but in healthcare (can depend on the setting) you have to get certain vaccines, if you don't you cant work there. While I have only heard of a few of these places require the COVID vaccine so far, I think soon enough it will be required many more places. The biggest reasons they didnt right away, imo, was because the vaccine was polarizing, especially back in December when nursing homes started getting it, and because supply was low.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I understand the sentiment but requiring a vaccine to travel freely within the country is a huge encroachment on basic Civil Rights. We’re been allowing travel before vaccines for this virus. With that precedent it would be a huge overreach and outside of the power of the US government.

I doubt we'd see that for travel within the US. Maybe travel to other countries. Or maybe a specific resort or place of business within the US would require it but not the government for travel within the US.

I wouldn't be opposed to the US requiring anyone traveling here from other countries though to have had the vaccine. Someone might points I'd be willing to consider that that would be a really bad idea for various reasons, and they may be right, but just thinking superficially about it, I wouldnt mind that at all.

[xu82]

I understand the sentiment but requiring a vaccine to travel freely within the country is a huge encroachment on basic Civil Rights. We’re been allowing travel before vaccines for this virus. With that precedent it would be a huge overreach and outside of the power of the US government.

I’m not talking about the federal government and interstate travel, so much. Many states have had restrictions about entry without quarantining. Now, that’s clearly impossible to enforce. Hawaii is a bit easier for obvious reasons. There is a guy on my NFL team message board who flew from Virginia to Dallas to get a shot (he was too young for VA but allowed in Texas). He was heading to Hawaii and needed the shot, because they can actually enforce it. I have zero problem with that (and the laws and timeline are fuzzy, so don't hold me too that, but you should get the point).

We have a European cruise that was cancelled but is now rescheduled for next spring. Should those countries be able to deny entry without vaccination? Would a cruise line be responsible to ask for proof of vaccination? (Windstar, small ships with about 300 passengers....awesome! But I digress.) I would say HELL YES!

I’m not talking about driving from Cincinnati to Indy. That can’t be monitored or enforced, but the bigger picture tells the tale. Is it smart to require vaccines? I think the answer is obviously yes. I know some extremists will disagree. I think I’m boringly down the middle. If it might help, masks, shots or whatever, play along and go with the odds.

[paulxu]

Nor do I. Do find it somewhat curious though. The virus does spread, and one way to keep from dying seems to be to get the vaccine.
I don't think there have been any reports yet on a vaccinated person dying. If so, I'm guessing very small number.

Are you being serious??? Again, people who only watch / read liberal media are truly in a vacuum...

Over 167 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through April 5, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 2,794 reports of death (0.00167%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Yes, I was being serious.

[Strange Brew]

I’m not talking about the federal government and interstate travel, so much. Many states have had restrictions about entry without quarantining. Now, that’s clearly impossible to enforce. Hawaii is a bit easier for obvious reasons. There is a guy on my NFL team message board who flew from Virginia to Dallas to get a shot (he was too young for VA but allowed in Texas). He was heading to Hawaii and needed the shot, because they can actually enforce it. I have zero problem with that (and the laws and timeline are fuzzy, so don't hold me too that, but you should get the point).

We have a European cruise that was cancelled but is now rescheduled for next spring. Should those countries be able to deny entry without vaccination? Would a cruise line be responsible to ask for proof of vaccination? (Windstar, small ships with about 300 passengers....awesome! But I digress.) I would say HELL YES!

I’m not talking about driving from Cincinnati to Indy. That can’t be monitored or enforced, but the bigger picture tells the tale. Is it smart to require vaccines? I think the answer is obviously yes. I know some extremists will disagree. I think I’m boringly down the middle. If it might help, masks, shots or whatever, play along and go with the odds.

Euros and the US can ban entry for any reason of a non citizen. Not even a good one. The airlines can require a vaccine and some choose to not. No gov’t of or within the US can ban travel within the States by US citizens. Not saying vaccines are a bad idea, I’ll get mine but the Gov’ts of the US are out of their depth with these mandates. Especially for this length of time. Even the War Powers Act has an expiration and its relatively short.