Covid-19

[Strange Brew]

Like..........robbing a bank?

Be careful with your digital trail, here!

Well, if that case it’s paraphrased from Bill Murray in Stripes in regards to his undergarment preferences.

[xu82]

Well, if that case it’s paraphrased from Bill Murray in Stripes in regards to his undergarment preferences.

Well, apparently I know less about Bill Murray’s undergarment preferences than you do, but no one should be judged by that! :-)

I admit I liked having him around X games. He’s been in so many classics I love!

[Strange Brew]

Well, apparently I know less about Bill Murray’s undergarment preferences than you do, but no one should be judged by that! :-)

I admit I liked having him around X games. He’s been in so many classics I love!

It’s why chicks dig him. Great movie. Ramis, Candy and Murray...

[94GRAD]

Free Krispy Kreme for a year with a vaccine card!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krispy-...cination-card/

Who pays for the insulin when you get diabetes?

[Drew]

Recently heard the coronavirus molecule is so small that masks don't effect it. Decided to do a novel concept and actually look it up for myself. Turns out it is smaller than a mask (not including n95) would typically filter but it also turns out that corona molecules are released in droplets that would be filtered. Add to that, droplets dissipate in the air making it easy to transmit. So wearing a mask keeps your droplets on you, but you could still inhale covid molecules that are in the air. So the original logic holds true, wear a mask to protect your neighbors. This has been a custom in Asia for decades when you get sick, you wear a mask.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...0in%20diameter.

[Strange Brew]

Recently heard the coronavirus molecule is so small that masks don't effect it. Decided to do a novel concept and actually look it up for myself. Turns out it is smaller than a mask (not including n95) would typically filter but it also turns out that corona molecules are released in droplets that would be filtered. Add to that, droplets dissipate in the air making it easy to transmit. So wearing a mask keeps your droplets on you, but you could still inhale covid molecules that are in the air. So the original logic holds true, wear a mask to protect your neighbors. This has been a custom in Asia for decades when you get sick, you wear a mask.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...0in%20diameter.

Makes sense. Kind of like if you’re sick stay out of the office so you don’t infect the rest of the team.

[tacopizza885]

Don’t know. FL seems about as good as CA without or minimal restrictions. We’ll see how TX does but there’s a new variable rapidly entering that equation. By science, Dr F and the CDC have been all over the map on this one so it’s tough to really do a cost/benefit analysis. Let’s see if opening some states causes a massive deadly outbreak or if it’s something not nearly as devastating as the economic and mental health toll.

That said. I’ll get the vax when it makes sense. I’m not in the at risk pop so I’ll wait my turn. Still wear my mask out even if it isn’t quite clear on the extent of benefits. I will not wear two masks. Ever. That is too dumb to tolerate.

The data from Florida has given me some hope. They eased restrictions much earlier and are middle of the pack. Maybe some benefit to the weather and being able to do more outside. Who knows.

Back in October, I was actually in the same room as someone who called in sick the next day. Turned out to be COVID. We were both masked and distanced, but it gave me a strong belief that masks help limit the spread.

I was able to get vaccinated, but where I live have to wear masks most places anyway. Actually going forward, depending on where I am, I might wear a mask anyway. Not because of COVID but because I've kind of enjoyed not even having a cold this past year. i used to take public transportation to work everyday and that seems like a good place to wear a mask permanently.

Appreciate the responses. All great points. FL is being tested right now in several ways (influx of younger Spring Breakers, relaxed restrictions, and slight lagging behind on vaccinations). As far as masks are concerned, I followed a mechanical engineer, who has both experience and primary focus in the aerosal science field, and has been researching KN95/KF94 (foreign "US N95 mask equivalents" from overseas).

https://www.bestproducts.com/fitness...kf94-n95-kn95/

Youtube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3f...ZD0ufN685YE7lg

Who pays for the insulin when you get diabetes?

Cigarettes and the rest of the tobacco industry have caused cancer. Alcohol, poor diet, has caused liver disease. A combination of them, along with drug abuse, all have caused immediate/delayed serious heart issues, if not death. Combined with Covid, may be lethal. To label this franchise/business... and their operators as a little bit naive and short sighted (especially in a country where "freedom rules")... well, it's lacking some self-awareness, don't ya think?

[Muskie in dayton]

Recently heard the coronavirus molecule is so small that masks don't effect it. Decided to do a novel concept and actually look it up for myself. Turns out it is smaller than a mask (not including n95) would typically filter but it also turns out that corona molecules are released in droplets that would be filtered. Add to that, droplets dissipate in the air making it easy to transmit. So wearing a mask keeps your droplets on you, but you could still inhale covid molecules that are in the air. So the original logic holds true, wear a mask to protect your neighbors. This has been a custom in Asia for decades when you get sick, you wear a mask.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...0in%20diameter.

Now that the entire world (save those profiteering from fear) acknowledge lockdowns are ineffective and completely counterproductive, time to tackle this one.

True: cloth and medical mask pore space (10-20 um diameter for medical, much larger for cloth) is substantially greater than the size of CV19 virus (~0.03 um). Also neither here nor there, but a virus is not a molecule.
True: masks stop droplets, but droplet spread has proven to be an insignificant mechanism for CV19 spread.
False: stopping droplets stops spread. It may stop spread by droplets, but it does nothing about aerosol spread, which has proven to be the primary mechanism for CV19. There is also limited evidence that trapping droplets with a constant air flow results in aerosolizing them, making them - as you stated - easy to transmit.

This is all just conceptual evidence. If you want some practical evidence of the effectiveness of masks (and other NPIs), look at the case data. Cases per capita are the same in geographies with extremely rigorous NPIs, and those that have little/no NPIs. Moreover, cases per capita rise and fall the same, regardless of if/when NPIs were implemented. This is true over and over again.

For those insisting on controlled, randomized testing, then here is the only CRT that has been peer reviewed and published, that shows no significant infection rate difference between masks and unmasked groups: Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 174, No 3 (acpjournals.org)

Masks do little, if anything. And could even be counterproductive by proving a false sense of security.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Now that the entire world (save those profiteering from fear) acknowledge lockdowns are ineffective and completely counterproductive, time to tackle this one.

True: cloth and medical mask pore space (10-20 um diameter for medical, much larger for cloth) is substantially greater than the size of CV19 virus (~0.03 um). Also neither here nor there, but a virus is not a molecule.
True: masks stop droplets, but droplet spread has proven to be an insignificant mechanism for CV19 spread.
False: stopping droplets stops spread. It may stop spread by droplets, but it does nothing about aerosol spread, which has proven to be the primary mechanism for CV19. There is also limited evidence that trapping droplets with a constant air flow results in aerosolizing them, making them - as you stated - easy to transmit.

This is all just conceptual evidence. If you want some practical evidence of the effectiveness of masks (and other NPIs), look at the case data. Cases per capita are the same in geographies with extremely rigorous NPIs, and those that have little/no NPIs. Moreover, cases per capita rise and fall the same, regardless of if/when NPIs were implemented. This is true over and over again.

For those insisting on controlled, randomized testing, then here is the only CRT that has been peer reviewed and published, that shows no significant infection rate difference between masks and unmasked groups: Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial: Annals of Internal Medicine: Vol 174, No 3 (acpjournals.org)

Masks do little, if anything. And could even be counterproductive by proving a false sense of security.

Ha, nice try. Did you even read the study, it does nothing to support your erroneous claim that masks do nothing and may even be counterproductive.

1. It was specifically only studying if someone who wore a mask in an area where others did not would significantly reduce infection. So the other people they were around were NOT wearing masks. From the beginning the mask wearing has mostly been about being a good neighbor and wearing one to protect those around you in case you were infected. Unless you are wearing an N95 or better.

2. Check out the self reported limitations of the study:

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.


What a hilariously pathetic attempt by you to discredit the effectiveness of masks.

[Xville]

The fight against lockdowns I completely understand. I said from the beginning that locking shit down was a horrible idea and plan and would greatly affect people on multiple levels.

The fight against masks however is just so odd...is it really that big of a deal to wear a mask and to die on that hill? I get it, it’s a bit annoying especially for a prolonged period of time but good grief