Covid-19

[D-West & PO-Z]

Getting covid gives you natural anti-bodies - check
Natural anti-bodies prevent you from getting covid thus preventing you from spreading it - check
Vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting covid - check
Vaccine prevents serious symptoms but doesn't prevent you from spreading it - check

Hmmm - one sounds better than the other.

There's enough evidence to say they don't know how long natural immunity lasts, but there is already enough is to know the vaccine is better after one month of giving it?

Again - hmmmm

Several of you comments are wrong.

[xu82]

Once again - the point.

If you're honest about your own actions but have no clue clue about the interactions of those around you (which you will never know), isn't it kind of a moot point? It's literally a pointless discussion. You can do everything right and still get it.

Of course that is true!

Now, the way I see it is you do the best you can to improve your odds as much as possible for you and the others you encounter. At least until the vaccine is more readily available and we learn more about how to battle the virus. If you care for your elderly parents or have preexisting conditions, that makes you want to be that much more careful. The people who refuse to show any responsibility whatsoever hurts the rest of us, but I can’t change that. I just try to be as responsible as possible.

I can’t live in a bubble, but I know there are things I can do to be a more responsible adult human being. As is often the case (like in general politics), the proper course is probably not one extreme or the other but more toward the middle.

[Lloyd Braun]

I have found that most people I have encountered that argue for natural immunity versus vaccine have actually already had Covid.

[drudy23]

Of course that is true!

Now, the way I see it is you do the best you can to improve your odds as much as possible for you and the others you encounter. At least until the vaccine is more readily available and we learn more about how to battle the virus. If you care for your elderly parents or have preexisting conditions, that makes you want to be that much more careful. The people who refuse to show any responsibility whatsoever hurts the rest of us, but I can’t change that. I just try to be as responsible as possible.

I can’t live in a bubble, but I know there are things I can do to be a more responsible adult human being. As is often the case (like in general politics), the proper course is probably not one extreme or the other but more toward the middle.

Of course.

But he also gave things like eating at restaurants, going to the gym, and gathering indoors with friends as something that was "bad". It's perfectly fine for people to do that type of stuff intelligently.

The whole point of this conversation is your preferred appetite for risk. Everyone's is different. The point being, you're not going to change it - stop expecting others to adopt your risk profile, even your family. You have no right. None.

If you're that untrusting and fearful of people that you have to ask them questions every time you see them in order to converse with them, then just stay home. This has nothing to do with anyone else.

[noteggs]

Correct - realistically, as of right now, the people who have had covid are more protected with anti-bodies than the people who have received the vaccine, so...

Really enjoyed your previous points and agree. Yes and no on your point with more protected. With natural immunity, your body makes antibodies against a variety of features of the virus. Covid vaccines out today are designed to trigger antibodies that hone in on a certain molecular target — in most cases, the coronavirus spike protein.

The spike protein is part of what makes this virus so deadly, and antibodies that recognize it seem to be particularly effective at neutralizing it. It’s possible this targeted approach will lead to a stronger immune response in people who have had the vaccine.

[Xville]

Are you really that much of a lunatic? You're really embarrassing yourself...

"Based on what we know about vaccines for other diseases and early data from clinical trials, experts believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine may also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...g%20COVID%2D19.

"Both Pfizer and Moderna report that their vaccines show approximately 95% efficacy at preventing both mild and severe symptoms of COVID-19."

"A vaccine that is 95% effective means that about 1 out of 20 people who get it may not have protection from getting the illness."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...u-need-to-know

"This may end up being a vaccine that's not a one-time thing or even a two-time thing, it may end up being like, one time and a booster, or it may end up being what we call either a seasonal vaccine, or vaccine that needs to be administered every couple of years," Chiu said.

https://www.salon.com/2020/09/23/a-c...s-for-society/

"People will likely need to take a coronavirus vaccine annually to protect themselves, similar to the annual flu vaccine, an Oxford University scientist working on a COVID-19 vaccine said on Sunday."

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid...y-be-necessary

I already knew all of this...the comment had nothing to do with what the vaccine does. I’m so proud of you for actuallly producing links from some reputable sources though. This is a big day for you. As a present you are allowed to eat dessert tonight!

[waggy]

what makes this virus so deadly

So is an adjective that may or may not reflect reality.

[XU_Lou]

I already knew all of this...the comment had nothing to do with what the vaccine does. I’m so proud of you for actuallly producing links from some reputable sources though. This is a big day for you. As a present you are allowed to eat dessert tonight!

strange dude....

[xu82]

Of course.

But he also gave things like eating at restaurants, going to the gym, and gathering indoors with friends as something that was "bad". It's perfectly fine for people to do that type of stuff intelligently.

The whole point of this conversation is your preferred appetite for risk. Everyone's is different. The point being, you're not going to change it - stop expecting others to adopt your risk profile, even your family. You have no right. None.

If you're that untrusting and fearful of people that you have to ask them questions every time you see them in order to converse with them, then just stay home. This has nothing to do with anyone else.

Again, I’m more toward the middle. I eat at restaurants but almost exclusively outdoors, or on semi enclosed patios. I also have lunch around 3:00pm when I’m usually the only person there. I’ve had some VERY cold lunches! I enjoy it, and I want the businesses and the staff to survive while still staying relatively safe.

I take groceries to my 93 year old mother. I don’t take unnecessary risks. I pop the truck when I arrive, wear a mask and we keep our distance outdoors for the pass off. It works for us, and seems safe enough. Nothing is perfectly safe.

The people who refuse to wear a mask in the grocery store for no reason other than arrogance and selfishness still piss me off.



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[GIMMFD]

Really enjoyed your previous points and agree. Yes and no on your point with more protected. With natural immunity, your body makes antibodies against a variety of features of the virus. Covid vaccines out today are designed to trigger antibodies that hone in on a certain molecular target — in most cases, the coronavirus spike protein.

The spike protein is part of what makes this virus so deadly, and antibodies that recognize it seem to be particularly effective at neutralizing it. It’s possible this targeted approach will lead to a stronger immune response in people who have had the vaccine.

To piggy back off this, the spike protein is how the virus enters cells, think of it like this, out of 100,000 viral particles, without antibodies to the spike protein all of those 100,000 viral particles are getting through. With antibodies to the spike protein, let's say 25,000 get through, that's the whole basis of the vaccine preventing serious infection. In the case of natural immunity vs vaccine, it's very situational. Think about chickenpox back in the day, if a kid had chickenpox, all the neighborhood kids have a fun little pox party because it's much better to have as a kid, then we developed a vaccine against it basically because why risk some potential complications of chickenpox when we can prevent it? Yes, natural immunity is preferred because as noteggs said you get antibodies to various different parts of the virus, but the end game is: why risk complications via natural immunity if you can prevent it? We know elder populations are at higher risk right? Obviously makes sense why in the rollout they're the ones targeted to receive it first. Prevent the complications.