Politics Thread

[Xville]

Agreed.

A really good friend of mine works for the LMPD and I've kind of gotten to know several other officers through him. My feeling on the issue is that the department was grossly negligent. I believe there were four houses where warrants were issued. Breonna Taylor and her boyfriend weren't targets at all, but it was instead her ex-boyfriend and her house was one of the places where they thought he might be. By the time they busted into Breonna Taylor's house, they had actually already found who they were looking for, so they shouldn't have been there at all.

Now, while I feel that is utterly ridiculously and almost unbelievably negligent on the part of the department, I also cannot get to a point to where I feel the individual officers are criminally responsible. There was a $12 million dollar settlement paid out to Breonna Taylor's family, and they deserved every cent of it. But the individual officers, in my opinion, had no way of knowing that they shouldn't have been there. Let's say the suspect they were looking for is the person who opened fire on the cops. If that were the case, this wouldn't even be a thing. For all the cops on the scene knew, that's what was happening.

The LMPD certainly failed Breonna Taylor, and her family, and the black community, and probably all of Louisville. But I also believe that they failed their own officers. Sending them into a dangerous situation to apprehend someone that's not even there because they've already been apprehended is a pretty big screw up. Even if this hadn't ended in a fatality it still would have been ridiculous. I would hope that the Blue Lives Matter people would agree with that. I hate that this happened. I grew up in Louisville and still have roots there.

Sorry for going GO and then going on a rant.

Breonna Taylor failed herself when she decided she was going to run money and drugs for her ex boyfriend. She obviously didnt deserve to die, but police isnt knocking on my door in the middle of the night, and it's not because my skin color is different than hers.

[STL_XUfan]

Here’s a question.

There was no doubt that BLM & Antifa we’re gonna riot after the Grand Jury decision came down in Louisville. Nothing the Grand Jury did would have been enough to keep these anarchists from doing their thing. Now two police officers have been shot.
Even though the LMPD was ready for it, they were still outmanned. Why didn’t Beshear (sp) have the National Guard in Louisville yesterday? Maybe because another Democratic Governor just wanted to look the other way while his Rome burned?
Just put Million Dollar bails on anyone arrested. That sure squashed it in Lancaster.

To slightly spin off your point. I do not understand why it isn't standard operating procedure to have the Guard run the show when it is a protest against the police. Nothing good can come from having the people you are protesting against be in charge of policing your protest. It is just throwing a match into a powder keg.

By having the national guard be the sole group policing the protest I think it would greatly reduce tension.

[bleedXblue]

Breonna Taylor failed herself when she decided she was going to run money and drugs for her ex boyfriend. She obviously didnt deserve to die, but police isnt knocking on my door in the middle of the night, and it's not because my skin color is different than hers.

I didn't see where they confiscated any drugs or drug money from her residence? Is she in fact a drug runner? Or, is this an assumption? Has she been convicted of anything? Honestly , I don't know. Guilty by association maybe but that's not a crime.

I can only imagine at an early morning hour the cops knocking on my door, announcing they are police........then knocking the door down to gain entry.....would do to me personally. How long did they wait before the physically knocked the door down? To me, so many questions that make it hard for me to have a opinion as to who was really at fault. Yes, possibly both parties share in the blame.

[xubrew]

Breonna Taylor failed herself when she decided she was going to run money and drugs for her ex boyfriend. She obviously didnt deserve to die, but police isnt knocking on my door in the middle of the night, and it's not because my skin color is different than hers.

I'm not convinced that she was. At the very least, even if you suspected it, I don't see how you could conclude that. So far as I know there were no drugs found on the scene, the ex-boyfriend said she wasn't involved, and the cops weren't targeting her for anything. If they thought she was running money for him, they would have been.

But most of all, that just doesn't make any sense. I can't imagine any drug dealer wanting their ex-girlfriends involved. That's actually who they'd want to try and keep away.

[Xville]

Seriously? Do your research....taped jail calls linking Glover and Taylor...Glover telling a visitor that Taylor was holding money for him. Glover shown at the residence multiple times...come on man

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...me/5706161002/

[Xville]

I didn't see where they confiscated any drugs or drug money from her residence? Is she in fact a drug runner? Or, is this an assumption? Has she been convicted of anything? Honestly , I don't know. Guilty by association maybe but that's not a crime.

I can only imagine at an early morning hour the cops knocking on my door, announcing they are police........then knocking the door down to gain entry.....would do to me personally. How long did they wait before the physically knocked the door down? To me, so many questions that make it hard for me to have a opinion as to who was really at fault. Yes, possibly both parties share in the blame.

Breonna was associated with scumbags and was holding money for a drug dealing ex. Did she deserve to die because of it? No, but the ridiculous MSM painting her (of course) as this angel is ridiculous. The police that night did nothing wrong..they were doing their jobs. My issue though with LMPD may be how the warrant was signed, and a raid being made in the middle of the night with possibly (accounts disputed here) with a no-knock warrant.

[Xville]

I'm not convinced that she was. At the very least, even if you suspected it, I don't see how you could conclude that. So far as I know there were no drugs found on the scene, the ex-boyfriend said she wasn't involved, and the cops weren't targeting her for anything. If they thought she was running money for him, they would have been.

But most of all, that just doesn't make any sense. I can't imagine any drug dealer wanting their ex-girlfriends involved. That's actually who they'd want to try and keep away.

oh the drug dealing ex boyfriend said she wasn't involved but yet is on tape stating she was holding money for him. Yeah we should definitely believe the drug dealer.

[Strange Brew]

YES!! Largely because I seriously doubt it would have caused a national panic. It would have likely just caused the appropriate amount of alarm.

It's a ridiculous question. "What did you want me to do? Shoot it to you straight?" Uhh, YEAH!! In fact, how about always doing that. With everything.

It's been said before but we had a run on certain items (TP, milk, guns and ammo) without the POTUS panicking the populous. To say it wouldn't have been worse if he had raised the alarm is just silly and childish.

[xubrew]

Seriously? Do your research....taped jail calls linking Glover and Taylor...Glover telling a visitor that Taylor was holding money for him. Glover shown at the residence multiple times...come on man

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...me/5706161002/

Okay, a lot of this doesn't make any sense...

Glover told The Louisville Courier Journal, part of the USA TODAY Network, in an Aug. 26 interview that Taylor had nothing to do with illicit drugs. He also denied that Taylor had been holding money for him, despite telling a caller that she was during a taped phone conversation March 13 at Metro Corrections.

Okay, so they have a taped phone conversation on March 13th where he tells a caller that she's holding money for him. This call took place at Metro Corrections. Am I not reading that right?? Maybe I'm not, but that's what it looks like to me.

So later that day, even though he's already at Metro Corrections, they go busting down Breonna Taylor's door (which is really where this whole thing went of the rails). No money is found. No drugs were found. From all accounts she and her new boyfriend had no idea the police were coming. They even called the police to say someone was breaking into their house. So, if they were holding money and drugs, then how would they have known to move it? And if they knew they needed to move it in case the cops showed up, then why were they so surprised when the cops came busting down the door? That just doesn't strike me as how someone who was actually involved would behave. I know the guy was a drug dealer. I know he can't be trusted. I know they got him on tape saying she was involved. But when he said that, I'm guessing that's when he was lying. Perhaps he wanted the person he was talking to to believe he had things under control despite the fact that he was just arrested, but in reality he had no control over anything and was just lying.

I don't think drug dealers typically involve their ex-girfriends, although I could see how they would lie about that. I also don't think people who are hiding money and drugs for drug dealers would call the cops if someone were breaking into their house, or be taken by complete surprise if the cops showed up AFTER the person who they were supposedly holding it for had been arrested. Again, that just doesn't make any sense to me. This guy has got to be the worst drug dealer of all time.

[Strange Brew]

Was there a national panic after PEARL HARBOR? Nope. Americans followed the cue of it's leader and buckled down in unison to fix the problems. Went to work and got the job done. trump ignored the problem and presented NO solutions. Check back after the DEM sweep and everything changes.

WW2, seriously? If FDR and Chamberlian weren't total weaklings D-Day could've been avoided and Japan wouldn't have joined the Axis. Those two downplayed the threat of National Socialism so greatly that it needlessly cost the Allies thousands of lives. Just think how different if could've been if England and the US established a foothold in northern France in the late '30s.