Covid-19

[xuphan]

Careful with the L word ‘round here...

Golden opportunity missed with the first lockdown but there are too many that didn’t believe this to be a serious issue. Still possibly the case just by reading through this thread.

Yes, there are a lot of people who do not see COVID as an issue. A lot of people here in the rural south believe that it is just the flu and any attempts by the government to address COVID is seen as a way for the government to control you. Amazing how many people believe this.

[Juice]

Yes, there are a lot of people who do not see COVID as an issue. A lot of people here in the rural south believe that it is just the flu and any attempts by the government to address COVID is seen as a way for the government to control you. Amazing how many people believe this.

15 days to lockdown and now we are on month 4 of either shut down or restricted aspects of society. Schools may not open, businesses cannot open, masks must be worn, mask snitch hotlines, and the list goes on of mandated government orders that were not passed with any legislation but simply by governor decree.

You may think that this is all necessary, and that’s fine, but call it what it is, it’s government control.

[xuphan]

15 days to lockdown and now we are on month 4 of either shut down or restricted aspects of society. Schools may not open, businesses cannot open, masks must be worn, mask snitch hotlines, and the list goes on of mandated government orders that were not passed with any legislation but simply by governor decree.

You may think that this is all necessary, and that’s fine, but call it what it is, it’s government control.

What do you expect when you have two political parties both saying different things? Biggest issue with this country are the political parties putting the parties interests ahead of the country’s best interests. Get rid of political parties, gerrymandering, and make term limits for Congress.

[xu82]

What do you expect when you have two political parties both saying different things? Biggest issue with this country are the political parties putting the parties interests ahead of the country’s best interests. Get rid of political parties, gerrymandering, and make term limits for Congress.

Why do we not hear about this like we used to? It seems that was a hot topic (relatively) in the past but has died away. Am I imagining that? Our system is broken with all these career politicians.

[bjf123]

Senator Ted Cruz introduced a constitutional amendment last year for term limits for both the House and the Senate. Of course, it went nowhere.


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[xuphan]

Why do we not hear about this like we used to? It seems that was a hot topic (relatively) in the past but has died away. Am I imagining that? Our system is broken with all these career politicians.

Totally agree. What good is it having the same politicians in office for 30+ years who are in bed with their political parties and can’t compromise on anything. I also think they should earn the average salary of all of the people they serve. They make way to much money.

[Muskie in dayton]

Totally agree. What good is it having the same politicians in office for 30+ years who are in bed with their political parties and can’t compromise on anything.

So can I safely say you won't be voting for Biden?

[Muskie in dayton]

An argument for a 6 week lock down to get to a level where full scale contact tracing is possible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/o...ent-death.html

Take a hit on your joint and IMAGINE....

Now me bring you back to reality. For this to work:
- we need reliable tests for contact tracing
- we to have distinguishable symptoms to know when to contact trace
- we need to have a plan for enforcing a lockdown
- we need to have a means of supporting people who can't economically sustain such a lockdown
- we need to believe that citizens of a country founded on freedom are willing to accept government directing every movement of their lives
- we need to pretend that even if the above were true, a lockdown actually works.

Nope, nope, nothing, no way, yeah... right, and WRONG.

Also the article is wrong. No country in the world has had more than very short term success with a lockdown. Virus gonna do what the virus gonna do. This is about management, not prevention. The sooner we realize that, the better off everyone is going to be.

[paulxu]

Also the article is wrong. No country in the world has had more than very short term success with a lockdown. Virus gonna do what the virus gonna do. This is about management, not prevention. The sooner we realize that, the better off everyone is going to be.

There are countries that have had success with a lockdown, like New Zealand. While agreeing it might not be possible because of our refusal to act together for the common good, this idea is what you describe...management. If you lockdown as they suggest, you reduce cases to a level you can test, trace, and treat new cases.

[Muskie in dayton]

There are countries that have had success with a lockdown, like New Zealand. While agreeing it might not be possible because of our refusal to act together for the common good, this idea is what you describe...management. If you lockdown as then suggest, you reduce cases to a level you can test, trace, and treat new cases.

Totally incomparable. New Zealand is an island. If you want to recreate that that in America you would have to “act in the common good” by sealing off the borders. Are you advocating to build a wall?

Management as I suggest is protecting the vulnerable (and just those who want to be protected) by isolating them safely, while letting those who have more risk than COVID by driving to 20 minutes, live their lives.

PS I would also say NZ is lucky. Look at their island neighbor to the west. You have to appreciate that we are powerless against COVID-19. Virus gonna do what the virus gonna do. I predict that NZ will have an outbreak before this is over.