Covid-19

[paulxu]

If wearing masks reduces the positives, it might make it easier to contact trace, quarantine/test contacts, and eventually have it die down.
At least that seems to be what the countries who have mitigated it did.

[Masterofreality]

Or perhaps you fail recognize cause and effect. The areas hardest hit by the virus due to its transmission route (urbanized highly/densely populated areas) are traditionally in states with a democratic governor. 3 most populous cities in the US (NY, Chi, LA) are all in states with a Democrat as governor. If we can go back to March and try to predict where this would hit first, those 3 cities would be at the top of everyone’s list, no? Further, I would expect NYC to be at the very top of everyone’s list. Heck, you were there in March and thought it was ok to travel there. In hindsight would you do it again knowing what we know now?

Based upon what Democratic Mayor DeBlabbio and Governor Cuomo were saying back then about "Just live your life and "Nothing to Worry about" while DeBlabbio brags about "I'm Going to the Gym" on the very same day March 12 that I was in NYC, uh, yeah I'd go. But obviously they were dead (pun intended) wrong. Meanwhile, Trump was criticized for being Xenophobic for banning travel from China an entire month and a half before.

Criticizing Dems who fail to control COVID in their states while giving Trump a pass in failing to control it in the US is hypocritical. I have not been highly critical of Trump in the response other than in testing and his overall demeanor as a leader. The very first post in this thread I made reference to the “no big deal” attitude I was concerned with about this virus that he displayed in March. If you hold Cuomo and other Democratic governors to a standard that they are responsible for lives, how about Trump?

And with that, your veil of "impartiality" falls and your bias shows 100% No big deal and no contol by Trump, huh? That's why Trump banned China travel in January? That's why he was following WHO statements and guidelines and having daily press conferences. (Remember the WHO stating that masks were not being needed as late as late March?) That's why he rushed ships and resources to NYC as quickly as he did? That's why he rapidly cut deals with manufacturers like Ford to produce ventilators that were barely if not used at all?
Governors have responsibility for their states. The Feds marshalled as many resources as they could as quickly as possible given the red tape it usually takes. They spent $660 million to provide extra hospital beds. That's a helluva lot for a 'no bg deal" attitude". Some Governors did better than others- Democratic governor of Washington, Republican Governor of Ohio , Good. NY, NJ, Governor, Bad. Trump did a helluva lot more than Obama ever did on the H1N1 mess. Obama did zero.

I don’t expect you to ever truly criticize him, you seem to idolize him and regurgitate his statements as nauseam, including the recent statements about the Javits center. I wasn’t familiar with what happened there after they opened it so I did a search, and the first article that comes up is a statement Trump made 3 weeks ago, which I assume is your source for this claim. So I searched to see if any patients were treated there at all since your statement made it seem that it was converted to a hospital for nothing (more on that in a bit) and found this article that says they treated about 1200 patients in a month! That’s actually pretty incredible considering they only have about the same number of beds. Is that max capacity? No of course not but that’s highly utilized. Unlike pretty much every other area in the country that converted space to treat COVID patients that YOU have been critical of as a waste of money and over planning. So basically, you have stated it’s the faulty models that have caused us to over plan and waste money, and it’s the Democrat’s fault for not using it enough all at the same time. Case closed.

Your numbers on Javitts are a bit inflated. ABC new 7 in NY stayed that it only treated "a little over a 1,000 patients during it's entire existence" and it was broken down and dismantled early for lack of use on May 1. CNN stated that Javits. , and the Comfort Hospital ship, which was sent back early as well, always operated well below capacity. Numerous stories can be googled that reitierate that both the Comfort and Javits were "mostly empty". Javits cost Millions of Fed taxpayer dollars, had almost 2,000 beds and traeated just over 1,000 TOTAL patients for it's entire existence, according to NPR. That is NOT the "same number of beds". I'll leave you with an NPR article below that shows your regurgitating crap above as bullshit. Your bias veil is off Lloyd.

See the NPR article below.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/85171...id-19-patients

[murray87]

Fuzzy math alert!!

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/fo...ovid-19-report

[bjf123]

Fuzzy math alert!!

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/fo...ovid-19-report

And they wonder why people aren’t believing everything being reported! I heard on the radio this morning that a county in Ohio, don’t remember which one, was moved from yellow to red on the governor’s scale. The reason? The number of infections more than doubled. Sounds reasonable, right? Turns out the count went from 4 to 9 IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY!!! Seems like a bit of an overreaction.


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[Lloyd Braun]

See the NPR article below.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/85171...id-19-patients

You are wrong and will never admit it. You shift from the “barely used” Javits Center to diminishing the treatment of 1100 (I overestimated by a hundred people) patients. In a month. And this article shows they were not even originally a COVID hospital! COVID patients aren’t admitted for a day or two and then discharged. The average hospital stay is significantly longer. And they didn’t have 1900 beds, they had the capacity to do so and expanded beds as time went on. By the end of April the hospitals in NYC were less burdened so they dismantled. That’s how it’s supposed to work!

Here is insight by the military director of Javits. You may project my face with a veil but you have a blindfold. Take your brain back...

[X Factor]

Fuzzy math alert!!

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/fo...ovid-19-report

Definitely fuzzy math...piggybacking on murray87's post.

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...as-inflated-90

[Muskie in dayton]

Adding to the problems with testing, this article is pretty concerning:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/w...t-testing.html

In short, the Covid-19 tests are very unreliable. Some still show the high false negative rate; others are showing false positive and false negative. The time of collection relative to infection plays a major role in the accuracy, and the testing procedure apparently has not been standardized.

I hear the calls for more testing and contact tracing, but if we can't trust the results, what good is it doing? The test result data are garbage and cannot be relied upon.

[Masterofreality]

You are wrong and will never admit it. You shift from the “barely used” Javits Center to diminishing the treatment of 1100 (I overestimated by a hundred people) patients. In a month. And this article shows they were not even originally a COVID hospital! COVID patients aren’t admitted for a day or two and then discharged. The average hospital stay is significantly longer. And they didn’t have 1900 beds, they had the capacity to do so and expanded beds as time went on. By the end of April the hospitals in NYC were less burdened so they dismantled. That’s how it’s supposed to work!

Here is insight by the military director of Javits. You may project my face with a veil but you have a blindfold. Take your brain back...

You lied about the lack of support forthcoming from the Federal Government and now you are denying an NPR story about usage. Not a Fox News story but NPR. Fact: 1900 beds. Total patients 1100- most, as you say only staying 1 or 2 days. It was barely used, and certainly not used in the manner intended when other NY Hospitals were crowded. Whose fault is that? The New York State Health Officials, that’s who for gross mismanagement of resources. And, yeah! Let’s send infected Nursing Home patients back to their Nursing Homes!! 6,000 died when they could have been sent to Javits or the Comfort.

By the way. You as an alleged “Medical Professional” should know that the average number of patients admitted in a month by Hospitals with over 500 beds is 2,800 per the below study from 2017. Almost 3 times what Javits saw in its entire time.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...arks-2017.html

“Average admittances per year- Hospitals with 500 or more beds: 33,623”

BTW. Maybe you’d change your love for Cuomo if you read Jake Tapper’s Twitter takedown of Cuomo’s New York actions today. Your bias veil is ripped off.
But by all means, keep spewing your Medical Dogma from on high. I’m no longer reading it.

[Lloyd Braun]

You lied about the lack of support forthcoming from the Federal Government and now you are denying an NPR story about usage. Not a Fox News story but NPR. Fact: 1900 beds. Total patients 1100- most, as you say only staying 1 or 2 days. It was barely used, and certainly not used in the manner intended when other NY Hospitals were crowded. Whose fault is that? The New York State Health Officials, that’s who for gross mismanagement of resources. And, yeah! Let’s send infected Nursing Home patients back to their Nursing Homes!! 6,000 died when they could have been sent to Javits or the Comfort.

By the way. You as an alleged “Medical Professional” should know that the average number of patients admitted in a month by Hospitals with over 500 beds is 2,800 per the below study from 2017. Almost 3 times what Javits saw in its entire time.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...arks-2017.html

“Average admittances per year- Hospitals with 500 or more beds: 33,623”

BTW. Maybe you’d change your love for Cuomo if you read Jake Tapper’s Twitter takedown of Cuomo’s New York actions today. Your bias veil is ripped off.
But by all means, keep spewing your Medical Dogma from on high. I’m no longer reading it.

I truly think you have reading comprehension issues. I don’t care about Cuomo, simply pointing out your flawed logic for hating on him.

Comparing average hospital admittance per month from an average hospital to the admittance in a COVID hospital is beyond apples to oranges. The average stay for COVID patients is DOUBLE that of non COVID patients. This is not a partisan stat, it’s not Medical Dogma, it’s factual. COVID patients spend more time in the hospital than non-COVID patients as a general statement. Since you like to find exceptions to facts, of course there are patients that spend months in the hospital. But ON AVERAGE, the length of stay for a COVID patient is about 11 days. Non-COVID patients are around 4-5 days.

1100 COVID patients in 30 days for a pop-up hospital is damn impressive, and you can continue to think that is not impressive if it makes you feel mighty.

EDIT: please point out where I lied, I would love to see that.

[Lloyd Braun]

Back to topics of importance...

https://apnews.com/e4d5259bfc6c74fcb090d885737c55a6

“First COVID-19 vaccine tested in US poised for final testing“

Would anyone here decline the vaccine if properly studied?