Politics Thread

[STL_XUfan]

And today the Court rules 5-4 that the Trump Administrations decision to rescind DACA was arbitrary and capricious. Roberts writing the opinion with the 4 liberals joining for most of it (then some weird splits on other issues I haven't got a chance to break down yet).

[X-man]

I'm not sure the officer should have pulled the trigger, but I'm positive the charges are trumped up political bullshit. The Wendy's already got the death penalty in this case.

You're not sure about that?? Did you go to Xavier?

[GoMuskies]

You're not sure about that?? Did you go to Xavier?

No. Yes.

[Lamont Sanford]

investigation wasn’t even finished. Plus the da is under fire for embezzlement and sexual harassment with an election coming. He doesn’t give two shits about this case and if it’s handled the right way. He simply wants to make sure he keeps his job, which he probably doesn’t deserve.

b-i-n-g-o!

[bjf123]

And today the Court rules 5-4 that the Trump Administrations decision to rescind DACA was arbitrary and capricious. Roberts writing the opinion with the 4 liberals joining for most of it (then some weird splits on other issues I haven't got a chance to break down yet).

Wasn’t DACA was put into place by Executive Order? My issue is that a President should be able to rescind a previous President’s Executive Order for any reason, or no reason. Otherwise, doesn’t the President take over law making from Congress? He, or she, could write any law they’d like and it would be incontestable.


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[bjf123]

That is a problem. You can’t have it both ways. If it’s a deadly weapon on the two college kids (out after curfew), it’s a deadly weapon when a guy passed out behind the wheel in a Wendy’s drive thru wrestles it from the cops and shoots it at them.

Regardless, you cannot shoot a person running away in the back. You know who he is, you have his car, he has already blown for the DUI, he’s fought the cops on video, he’s running away. The ONLY way you can lose this is............to shoot him in the back.

I have not watched the video enough to know this, but is it possible that the officer started to draw and fire his weapon while Brooks was facing him and firing the Taser? That’s different than if he had fired the Taser and turned and taken a few steps at which time the officer then drew and fired.


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[XUOWNSUC]

Interesting article (from last September) about the Supreme Court and how often they vote along party lines:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/2028450001/

The democrats like to complain about a conservative court that always votes along party lines - but that simply isn't the case. Democrats need to look in the mirror.

[STL_XUfan]

Wasn’t DACA was put into place by Executive Order? My issue is that a President should be able to rescind a previous President’s Executive Order for any reason, or no reason. Otherwise, doesn’t the President take over law making from Congress? He, or she, could write any law they’d like and it would be incontestable.


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I agree that our current system of ruling by executive order is scary. Congress (both Dems and Repubs) really only likes to take show votes. When they have actual power to do something they get scared back off. There was something like 63 votes between 2013 -2016 to repeal the ACA when Republicans knew the issues was going to be DOA, but once they actually had power, they couldn't get it done. I am sure the same thing will happen to the democrats if they win the House, Senate, and White House for items like the Green New Deal. So we are instead left a terrible system where one branch is doing most of the legislating.

I think the Trump administration's issue is that do not have anyone that actually wants to do work. The hamfisted way the travel ban and this repeal of DACA were rolled out led to all of these issues. I think if the administration had anyone competent running these efforts they would have been upheld. So at the end of the day I am happy they keep suffering these self inflicted wounds, but this is no way to govern in the long term.

[paulxu]

Roberts left it open to be rescinded if done in the correct manner. So it'll probably be back again.

“We do not decide whether DACA or its rescission are sound policies,” Roberts writes in the opinion. “‘The wisdom’ of those decisions ‘is none of our concern.’ ... We address only whether the agency complied with the procedural requirement that it provide a reasoned explanation for its action. ... That dual failure raises doubts about whether the agency appreciated the scope of its discretion or exercised that discretion in a reasonable manner.”

[Smails]

You're not sure about that?? Did you go to Xavier?

How are you 100% sure the officer was not justified in pulling the trigger?

What if the perp were to hit the officer with the taser (that he had pointed at him) rendering the officer incapacitated..from there he could have got the officer's service weapon and started a gunfight with his partner. Is that scenario possible? What if the officer were to be hit with the taser and fall to the ground and crack his skull? How about this one: The DA has designated a taser as a deadly weapon in an earlier case. So are officers supposed to let a perp run through the streets with a deadly weapon? Is it not their duty to neutralize that type of threat? I don't see how this is so cut and dry. I think this one needs to play out via an investigation, Do you not?