Politics Thread

[Strange Brew]

You sound like you are describing Trumpers, you know the ones who will vote for him even if he gunned someone down on Fifth Avenue.

Was Hitler not a National Socialist?

I wouldn’t vote for him but the NYT and many Dems were very fond for a while.

[paulxu]

If you're arguing that he still violated the Logan Act, then John Kerry, Chris Murphy, Jimmy Carter and countless other politicians should be prosecuted for it as well.

Perhaps this is instructive to your point.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...691_story.html

[Smails]

My god...it is truly a sad day that we have reasonable people honestly thinking that Flynn should be behind bars.

This was a political hit job that basically ruined a man's life. This was an abuse of power that should give everyone pause about what our government is truly capable of when given an agenda to drive. Just sad.

[paulxu]

Count me as unreasonable I guess.

Judge: General Flynn, how do you plead to these charges?
Flynn: Guilty your honor.
Judge: General Flynn, do you understand fully what you have plead to, and that you are doing so under oath and penalty of perjury.
Flynn: Yes your honor.

One year later:

Judge: General Flynn, how do you plead to these charges?
Flynn: Guilty your honor.
Judge: General Flynn, do you understand fully what you have plead to, and that you are doing so under oath and penalty of perjury.
Flynn: Yes your honor.

One year later:

Flynn: I'd like to change my plea.

[Juice]

Count me as unreasonable I guess.

Judge: General Flynn, how do you plead to these charges?
Flynn: Guilty your honor.
Judge: General Flynn, do you understand fully what you have plead to, and that you are doing so under oath and penalty of perjury.
Flynn: Yes your honor.

One year later:

Judge: General Flynn, how do you plead to these charges?
Flynn: Guilty your honor.
Judge: General Flynn, do you understand fully what you have plead to, and that you are doing so under oath and penalty of perjury.
Flynn: Yes your honor.

One year later:

Flynn: I'd like to change my plea.

Part of the plea was so they wouldn't come after his son.

Also, when certain documents weren't turned over in discovery that were possibly exculpatory, do you think that maybe it would have changed his or his attorney's thinking?

[Lamont Sanford]

The Dems won't replace him, they'll vote for him. They move in lockstep. Right or wrong, they stick together. They vote Dem, or stay home. They don't switch. Hitler would have had a field day as a Dem. They would have voted for him, because he was a Dem (or National Socialist). It's what Dems do, no free thinking allowed. They do allow idiots though, hence AOC.

+1. Well said JTG.

[XU 87]

Count me as unreasonable I guess.

Judge: General Flynn, how do you plead to these charges?
Flynn: Guilty your honor.
Judge: General Flynn, do you understand fully what you have plead to, and that you are doing so under oath and penalty of perjury.
Flynn: Yes your honor.

One year later:

Judge: General Flynn, how do you plead to these charges?
Flynn: Guilty your honor.
Judge: General Flynn, do you understand fully what you have plead to, and that you are doing so under oath and penalty of perjury.
Flynn: Yes your honor.

One year later:

Flynn: I'd like to change my plea.

Apparently, those on the left think believe that people accused of crimes are entitled to certain rights and civil liberties, unless the accused is a republican.

The left is also concerned in protecting the rights of someone who claims to have been sexually assaulted, unless the assaulter is a democrat, at which point the accuser is either ignored or called "trailer trash".

[GoMuskies]

It's certainly interesting that someone with paul's politics feels like anyone who has plead guilty is definitely guilty.

[Smails]

Count me as unreasonable I guess.

Judge: General Flynn, how do you plead to these charges?
Flynn: Guilty your honor.
Judge: General Flynn, do you understand fully what you have plead to, and that you are doing so under oath and penalty of perjury.
Flynn: Yes your honor.

One year later:

Judge: General Flynn, how do you plead to these charges?
Flynn: Guilty your honor.
Judge: General Flynn, do you understand fully what you have plead to, and that you are doing so under oath and penalty of perjury.
Flynn: Yes your honor.

One year later:

Flynn: I'd like to change my plea.

Do the actions of our intelligence community give you ANY pause in light of how this went down? Do you feel there was any abuse of power in Flynn's take down? Please tell me you don't think this whole thing is as simple what you quoted above.

[paulxu]

I'm not sure how politics plays into this particular situation from my perspective.
Maybe from those involved (who are in politics) but I'm just trying to deal with the facts off the case.

They have Flynn (I believe) on tape talking to a Russian ambassador about stuff maybe he shouldn't have been discussing.
Whether he did or not, he decided to tell the FBI and Congress and Pence that he was NOT talking to the Russian about those things.

Then he told the judge that he lied, he understood that he lied, and he plead guilty to lying, under oath and penalty of perjury.

Now you can make it as political as you want. I'm making it a case of a former general in the army swearing under oath that he broke the law.

Not really all that difficult. And no, if I was in that situation, I would not do that...and hope none of you would either.