Covid-19

[paulxu]

I wouldn't mind being tested. (Full disclosure...I also favor vaccinations of children).

If I was found to have it, I could self-quarantine and hopefully spare my family.

Also, I hope if an Ohio highway patrol pulls over a weaving car, he is allowed to administer a breathalizer. If he blows a bad number, hopefully they don't let him get back behind the wheel an head on down the road.

[Caf]

@MOR - I'm pretty puzzled by your testing arguments. Seems like the only way to shrink/prove mortality rates and bring consumers confidence to get back to business.

[xu82]

Just what I said. In DeWine's presser today they will soon invoke random (yes actually called) Surveillance Testing to just check on people who may or may not have the virus. I have no idea where and when it will be done, but I have the vision of Big Brother with a device and swabs in his hands outside a grocery or hardware store swabbing people and taking their temperature as they enter the store. If they have a slight fever, they're sent away.

Very 1984, don't ya think?

What I think is.........they need to do a much better job at the presser. This should not just be left to what you or anyone else envisions. If you say “Surveillance Testing”, you then explain that the hell that means!

I drove past my barber today out of curiosity to see if they were a shop that actually opened. The doors were wide open on a beautiful day, but I saw nobody inside. The wife got the clippers out and cleaned me up a couple days ago, so I’ll hold off a bit. I really don’t mind starting to open up, if done wisely. Our idiot Governor started with the LAST places that should open (massage and tattoo parlors, hair salons, bowling alleys...really?), and left the others closed. I feel fine about going to the grocery store (or Total Wine, of course). I do NOT want to spend an hour or two getting touched by a stranger who touches other strangers all day long. WTF? How about a quick in and out at Bed, Bath & Beyond or Barnes and Noble for some downtime reading?

[xu82]

@MOR - I'm pretty puzzled by your testing arguments. Seems like the only way to shrink/prove mortality rates and bring consumers confidence to get back to business.

THIS I agree with! The problem is what is their testing capacity? We hoped for the best case scenario, it seems, and didn’t prepare for anything less than that. Bad plan.....

I would LOVE to be tested! I think I just may have had it. I’d love to give plasma if it could help somebody else.

[Lloyd Braun]

@MOR - I'm pretty puzzled by your testing arguments. Seems like the only way to shrink/prove mortality rates and bring consumers confidence to get back to business.

Yes this is quite logical and necessary.

Last time I mentioned testing MOR said it was only to make their faulty models look better. There’s an apparent lack of trust with the Ohio government, yet a strange trust in the feds.

There are more than enough volunteers from the general public to do a large sample of swabs. Nobody will be forced to do a swab for the purpose of gaining data.

[paulxu]

Coming soon...roadside testing in Dana's parking lot.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-booths.html

[Masterofreality]

This rebuttal is directed at nobody. And by the way, I’m not trusting ANY government entity on this. Where did I ever say anything about trust in the Federal government more than the state? I’ve said numerous times I was in favor of DeWine’s moves- until about a week ago.

Tell me what testing has proven?? Other than jacking up the case reporting count in Marion & Pickaway- where prisons are- what has it ultimately told us? What? No one still has explained to me why, after all those positives found in the testing, the hospitalizations and ICU admits haven’t gone up in anywhere near the levels of the case increase. The testing has yielded empty numbers that mean nothing other than a bunch of people caught a virus. WOW!! Millions of people catch a cold or flu virus every year and thousands of people die from those diseases, so tell me something new. Now they want to “Surveillance Test”. I guess all y’all are fine with Big Brother taking over your life more. Not me.

And no one has answered the question that, hey, you get tested. You’re negative. The next day you touch a dirty doorknob and all of a sudden the virus is in your body, but like many, you get no symptoms you wouldn't get tested again, but if you got forced tested again, you’re positive. So what was the purpose of Test 1, or are we just gonna buy into constant never-ending testing which means, Mr. Medical man at your grocery store door?. Oooooooookkkk. One way of the other I suppose you could infect people but that is just like you giving them your cold or flu now.

So my ultimate question is: What is the endgame? When does this testing deal end? I test negative but do I have to go back and have a test every day? Every other day? Every week? It will never end with a ridiculous infringement on our freedom. Of course medical people in their cautious nature scream “Test” every hour, but sorry. You can’t wrap society in a bubble like that and think you can prevent sickness.

We went for years without a flu vaccine. The whole world didn’t die despite there being no “Flu Test”. Now we have a flu vaccine that works....sort of, but thousands of people still die from it, and hey. I’m not anti-vax! I get a flu shot that I hope works.

So, final point. IMO This Testing argument is just another way for government to keep its citizens under it’s thumb of control, and what happens to medical privacy laws?? Stop justifying the society shutdown on the need for Testing. Open life back up with precautionary actions (Masks, distancing) until a vaccine or other worthy mitigating treatment is found, but this Test, Test, Test shouting is ponderous and oppressive.

[Juice]

This rebuttal is directed at nobody. And by the way, I’m not trusting ANY government entity on this. Where did I ever say anything about trust in the Federal government more than the state? I’ve said numerous times I was in favor of DeWine’s moves- until about a week ago.

Tell me what testing has proven?? Other than jacking up the case reporting count in Marion & Pickaway- where prisons are- what has it ultimately told us? What? No one still has explained to me why, after all those positives found in the testing, the hospitalizations and ICU admits haven’t gone up. The testing has yielded empty numbers that mean nothing other than a bunch of people caught a virus. WOW!! Millions of people catch a cold or flu virus every year and thousands of people die from those diseases, so tell me something new. Now they want to “Surveillance Test”. I guess all y’all are fine with Big Brother taking over your life more. Not me.

And no one has answered the question that, hey, you get tested. You’re negative. The next day you touch a dirty doorknob and all of a sudden the virus is in your body, but like many, you get no symptoms, but if you got tested again, you’re positive but you’d never know it. I suppose you could infect people just like you could give them a cold too.

So my ultimate question is: What is the endgame? When does this testing deal end? I test negative but do I have to go back and have a test every day? Every other day? Every week? It will never end with a ridiculous infringement on our freedom. Of course medical people in their cautious nature scream “Test” every hour, but sorry. You can’t wrap society in a bubble like that and think you can prevent sickness.

We went for years without a flu vaccine. The whole world didn’t die despite there being no “Flu Test”. Now we have a flu vaccine that works....sort of, but thousands of people still die from it, and hey. I’m not anti-vax! I get a flu shot that I hope works.

So, final point. IMO This Testing argument is just another way for government to keep its citizens under it’s thumb of control, and what happens to medical privacy laws?? Stop justifying the society shutdown on the need for Testing. Open life back up with precautionary actions (Masks, distancing) until a vaccine or other worthy mitigating treatment is found, but this Test, Test, Test shouting is ponderous and oppressive.

Couldn’t agree more. They moved the goal posts after it turned out their models were insanely wrong. This is a way to justify their past moves. They’re too scared to make the correct decision in opening things back up. Look at how the media and politicians (Trump included about Georgia) speak with disdain about Georgia opening up, Jacksonville opening beaches, San Diego opening beaches, Tennessee, etc.

What’s the new thing they want us to do too? The tracing so they can follow us.

[Juice]

"But the beaches?!?!"

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04...ys-conductors/

But conductors say the subway has become a homeless shelter and social distancing is nearly impossible.

Cell phone video shows subway cars lined with people passed out, using shoes as pillows, not wearing masks, with trash piled in shopping carts.

“There is an astronomical amount of homeless people now in the subway,” MTA train conductor Tramell Thompson said. “The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is now the Metropolitan Transmission Authority. They are transporting this virus.”

[paulxu]

Having a discussion about all this with family members who are doctors, caused me to look up a couple of things.
And finding this just boggled my feeble brain.

Seoul Korea's population is larger than New York City, and twice as dense.

Deaths from the virus so far in NYC: 16,000 +

Deaths from the virus so far in ALL of Korea: 240

Crazy times.

Edit: actually, some US cities ought to study Korea, and try exactly whatever it is they did so successfully.