Covid-19

[bleedXblue]

The more I read about this, the more pissed off I get about the response the country took. Never should have shut down an entire economy, and it's stupid we havent opened things up by now. I know hindsight is 20/20, but our government fucked up our economy for years due to basically what amounts to a flu mortality rate.

I agree mostly with you. We overreacted, saved some lives no doubt but mostly all of this was/is due to the unknown, fear and not have a vaccine.

We need to get most of this country back up and running while still using common sense and slowly allowing people to congregate. I do think the huge public gatherings should not be allowed until we get closer to the fall and understand what the realistic time frame around a vaccine looks like.

[Masterofreality]

The press has gone batshit crazy over this already, with questioning everything about the response as it is.
Can you imagine the media outrage if less or Little was done.
CRUCIFY HIM!!! Or THEM...or....,

[noteggs]

I think the issue is that the hospitals had to stop doing or limit elective procedures which resulted in a loss of revenue because everyone is so focused on Covid patients.

Actually you both are right. Basically the hospital is cutting off their cash cow right now by not doing elective and selective surgeries. Those lucrative procedures subsidize other parts of the hospital like the ER who normally operate off a loss.

[Muskie in dayton]

The more I read about this, the more pissed off I get about the response the country took. Never should have shut down an entire economy, and it's stupid we havent opened things up by now. I know hindsight is 20/20, but our government fucked up our economy for years due to basically what amounts to a flu mortality rate.

Yes, in hindsight it was an overreaction, but the initial response was fully appropriate based on the best information available at the time. Unfortunately (actually very fortunately!) that info has proven to be poor and unreliable. We have learned tremendous amounts about this virus in the last month, and I agree 100% - it’s time to open up gradually and in a measured way, not May 1, but NOW.

What is concerning and makes this difficult is the number of the general public that only listens to the sensationalism of the MSM. I was reading a post on Barstool Sports criticizing Florida for opening up the beaches, and 2 of 3 comments were piling on about how dangerous and stupid this is. Very few have a clue how unlikely spread would be in that circumstance, and even fewer get that hiding from it will not make it go away.

[GoMuskies]

I think we should give it the two weeks to May 1 for sure. If people do a good job of social distancing for just two more weeks, it should make for a smoother baby step towards reopening on May 1.

[Juice]

Yes, in hindsight it was an overreaction, but the initial response was fully appropriate based on the best information available at the time. Unfortunately (actually very fortunately!) that info has proven to be poor and unreliable. We have learned tremendous amounts about this virus in the last month, and I agree 100% - it’s time to open up gradually and in a measured way, not May 1, but NOW.

What is concerning and makes this difficult is the number of the general public that only listens to the sensationalism of the MSM. I was reading a post on Barstool Sports criticizing Florida for opening up the beaches, and 2 of 3 comments were piling on about how dangerous and stupid this is. Very few have a clue how unlikely spread would be in that circumstance, and even fewer get that hiding from it will not make it go away.

Beaches are massive spaces where people could still appropriately "social distance" (I hate this term). But no one from Barstool or MSM says much about the fact that their disgusting subway system continues to run where people are packed into small areas in the city that was the hardest hit.

[Masterofreality]

Today's "Let's do a Reality Check" Report for Ohio:

Today's Model Projection of new Cases per Day: 1,600 (Projected peak day Sunday at 1,607 per model)
Today's Actual new reported Cases: 1115(!!!) Only 34 Probable/Assumed cases today. Result of better testing (?) but look at Hospitalizations/ICUs.
Highest Daily Total Increase in cases since report began on 3/9: 1115 today with 34 probable/assumed
Actual TOTAL Hospitalizations: 2,519 (up 95 from yesterday) since reporting began over a month ago
Actual TOTAL ICU admits: 760 since reporting began a month ago (up 20 from yesterday)
Total Ohio Hospital Beds: 34,000
Total Ohio ICU Beds:2500
Ohio Population; 11.7 million

I don't know what the hell this is telling us. 1,115 new cases but less than 100 new hospitalizations and only 20 new ICU admissions? Is this disease not as bad as has been advertised? Again, where is the overrun/stress on the hospital system? And 1,115 new cases- almost double the previous new high-with all of the precautions (masks/distancing) in place? WTF? Are they just jacking up case numbers to make the models look better? I still say that hospitalizations are the true measurement number because they can't really be faked? Somebody explain this to me because I'm too stupid to figure it out. Thanks

[XU_Lou]

Today's "Let's do a Reality Check" Report for Ohio:

Today's Model Projection of new Cases per Day: 1,600 (Projected peak day Sunday at 1,607 per model)
Today's Actual new reported Cases: 1115(!!!) Only 34 Probable/Assumed cases today. Result of better testing (?) but look at Hospitalizations/ICUs.
Highest Daily Total Increase in cases since report began on 3/9: 1115 today with 34 probable/assumed
Actual TOTAL Hospitalizations: 2,519 (up 95 from yesterday) since reporting began over a month ago
Actual TOTAL ICU admits: 760 since reporting began a month ago (up 20 from yesterday)
Total Ohio Hospital Beds: 34,000
Total Ohio ICU Beds:2500
Ohio Population; 11.7 million

I don't know what the hell this is telling us. 1,115 new cases but less than 100 new hospitalizations and only 20 new ICU admissions? Is this disease not as bad as has been advertised? Again, where is the overrun/stress on the hospital system? And 1,115 new cases- almost double the previous new high-with all of the precautions (masks/distancing) in place? WTF? Are they just jacking up case numbers to make the models look better? I still say that hospitalizations are the true measurement number because they can't really be faked? Somebody explain this to me because I'm too stupid to figure it out. Thanks

MOR, my brother, you are 100% right - we have been sold a bag of goods from the so-called "experts". Both the Stanford and the Massachusetts General antibody studies show that the virus is far more widespread than thought, and therefore the death rates are roughly equivalent to the common flu:

https://noqreport.com/2020/04/17/bre...y-coronavirus/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/...e-coronavirus/

The so-called "experts" got this grossly wrong - at worse this this a grand hoax - at best its a grand show of incompetence and hysteria. What the hell are we doing, and what the hell did we just do to our country (world)???

[paulxu]

I would suspect part of the problem we are having results from a couple of basic things;

1 - We don't have enough tests to really get an accurate picture of what's happening. We are still mostly testing people with symptoms. Countries who are doing a little better are testing far more of their population

2 - There seem to be a large number of deaths (over statistical averages for weeks or months) that are most likely attributed to the virus, but are never tested to be sure. This makes comparisons to the flu and other diseases more difficult.

These two factors (yes, certainly it's just my opinion from reading as much as I can) leave us a little hampered in perfecting good strategies for the future.

[xavierj]

Today's "Let's do a Reality Check" Report for Ohio:

Today's Model Projection of new Cases per Day: 1,600 (Projected peak day Sunday at 1,607 per model)
Today's Actual new reported Cases: 1115(!!!) Only 34 Probable/Assumed cases today. Result of better testing (?) but look at Hospitalizations/ICUs.
Highest Daily Total Increase in cases since report began on 3/9: 1115 today with 34 probable/assumed
Actual TOTAL Hospitalizations: 2,519 (up 95 from yesterday) since reporting began over a month ago
Actual TOTAL ICU admits: 760 since reporting began a month ago (up 20 from yesterday)
Total Ohio Hospital Beds: 34,000
Total Ohio ICU Beds:2500
Ohio Population; 11.7 million

I don't know what the hell this is telling us. 1,115 new cases but less than 100 new hospitalizations and only 20 new ICU admissions? Is this disease not as bad as has been advertised? Again, where is the overrun/stress on the hospital system? And 1,115 new cases- almost double the previous new high-with all of the precautions (masks/distancing) in place? WTF? Are they just jacking up case numbers to make the models look better? I still say that hospitalizations are the true measurement number because they can't really be faked? Somebody explain this to me because I'm too stupid to figure it out. Thanks

It’s crazy how closely Ohio is following Sweden in cases and deaths. Ohio seems to be running about a week behind Sweden and Sweden supposedly had this around at least a week to two weeks before it hit Ohio. Someone mentioned that Sweden is roughly the same population as Ohio, not sure on size. A week ago Sweden had 10,122 and 590 deaths. A week later they have 13,822 cases and 1500 deaths.