Covid-19

[kmcrawfo]

One last thing. See below what previous harsh Trump critic Gov Cuomo said today. This is exactly the truth and what our entire country needs to think right now

Cuomo spoke of renewed cooperation with Trump, putting aside what's been, at times, a rocky relationship.

He said he and the president agreed that “we’re fighting the same war, and this is a war, and we’re in the same trench, and I have your back and you have my back, and we’re going to do everything we can for the people of the State of New York.”

[Lloyd Braun]

A few thoughts

2. No one is dying because they are not getting tested. Just an inaccurate statement. If u are sick and in respiratory distress u r going to get treated regardless of your underlying diagnosis. People will die because the vast majority of this country is not taking this seriously and is continuing to congregate. The result may be an end up overwhelming our Healthcare System. At that point once again people will not be dying because they've not been tested they will be dying because our Healthcare System was overwhelmed.

More testing flattens the curve significantly faster, which in turn saves lives. Look at South Korea and pretty much every country’s curve and the impact testing has. There are multiple factors in flattening that curve and testing has a large impact. People are not taking it seriously, largely because they believe to be unaffected. That changes the second they are told they or someone they know (not Tom Hanks) is positive for this virus, which nobody really knows because nobody can be tested unless you know someone who tested positive or are very ill. That is a ridiculously slow process. To say no one is dying because they aren’t tested is true on the surface to that individual, but not to the population as a whole.

The state departments of health are following direct orders and guidelines from the CDC. I imagine if enough funds were allocated for more rapid advancement of tests, or even outsourcing from other countries that do not have the same demand of tests that we would flatten our curve significantly faster. As it stands we are weeks behind and currently following Italy.

[kmcrawfo]

More testing flattens the curve significantly faster, which in turn saves lives. Look at South Korea and pretty much every country’s curve and the impact testing has. There are multiple factors in flattening that curve and testing has a large impact. People are not taking it seriously, largely because they believe to be unaffected. That changes the second they are told they or someone they know (not Tom Hanks) is positive for this virus, which nobody really knows because nobody can be tested unless you know someone who tested positive or are very ill. That is a ridiculously slow process. To say no one is dying because they aren’t tested is true on the surface to that individual, but not to the population as a whole.

The state departments of health are following direct orders and guidelines from the CDC. I imagine if enough funds were allocated for more rapid advancement of tests, or even outsourcing from other countries that do not have the same demand of tests that we would flatten our curve significantly faster. As it stands we are weeks behind and currently following Italy.

Social Distancing is what flattens the curve. One of all of my partners in my practice is from South Korea and most of his extended family still lives there. I can tell you with the reason South Korea was able to stop this from exploding as much as other countries is because they implemented basically marshall law type authoritarian control for social distancing, self quarantine, and isolation regardless if you had had a test or not. Even doing that there is still illness and death abound in that country and the results being reported as positive cases are nowhere close to the actual amount of disease and sickness currently in that country.

The fact that the vast majority of people in this country still are not taking this seriously and are not practicing social distancing is what is going to kill people. Every person should be acting as if they are positive as up to 60% of people will show no symptoms yet still be able to spread the virus.

It is attitudes like this kid is doing is what killed people in Italy and has the risk of doing so here.

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/st...552738826?s=20


Dr. Dena Grayson
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@DrDenaGrayson
��#Florida spring-breakers:

“If I get #corona, I get corona....I’m not going to let it stop me from parting.”#Coronavirus “is really messing up my spring break.”

“This virus ain’t that serious.”

We’re “trying to get drunk before everything closes.”

[Lloyd Braun]

Social Distancing is what flattens the curve. One of all of my partners in my practice is from South Korea and most of his extended family still lives there. I can tell you with 100% certainty the reason South Korea I was able to stop this from exploding as much as because they implemented basically marshall law type authoritarian requirements for social distancing, self quarantine, and isolation regardless if you had had a test or not. Even doing that there is still illness and death abound in that country and the results being reported as positive cases are nowhere close to the actual amount of disease and sickness currently in that country.

The fact that the vast majority of people in this country still are not taking this seriously and are not practicing social distancing is what is going to kill people. Every person should be acting as if they are positive as up to 60% of people will show no symptoms yet still be able to spread the virus.

It is attitudes like this kid is doing is what killed people in Italy and has the risk of doing so here.

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson

So you hold the opinion that increasing testing will not affect the curve? There’s no doubt social distancing flattens it. There is also no doubt that widespread testing helps with social distancing. Talk to any ID expert and they will reiterate that increased testing will positively help contain this. Let me present a common patient that will increase in numbers over the next few weeks: a young adult without known COVID-19 contact develops fever and headache, slight cough and goes to the ED or UC. Tests negative for flu, sent home and told to self quarantine and return if symptoms considerable worsen. They do not qualify for testing because they are not high risk. A week goes by and their condition worsens, now has worsening cough and shortness of breath, ongoing low grade fevers. Their chest X-ray, vitals, labs are all stable. This person likely has the illness but continues to not qualify for testing as supply is not ample. Available testing at onset (after fever, symptoms, negative flu test) would isolate that individual assuming it were a positive test. Instead, that individual likely exposed this to at least one other individual and probably more. Was it their fault for not staying home until all symptoms resolved? What if they developed pneumonia with mild symptoms? You cannot put every case in a vacuum as the course is not predictable and varying on a case by case basis.

Half of those in the ICU in the US are under the age of 60. This is not strictly a bad disease for the elderly as previously thought. More data will continue to come out that supports your fears that this is very serious. To say widespread testing doesn’t impact the curve is contradictory.

[STL_XUfan]

Social Distancing is what flattens the curve. One of all of my partners in my practice is from South Korea and most of his extended family still lives there. I can tell you with 100% certainty the reason South Korea I was able to stop this from exploding as much as because they implemented basically marshall law type authoritarian requirements for social distancing, self quarantine, and isolation regardless if you had had a test or not. Even doing that there is still illness and death abound in that country and the results being reported as positive cases are nowhere close to the actual amount of disease and sickness currently in that country.

The fact that the vast majority of people in this country still are not taking this seriously and are not practicing social distancing is what is going to kill people. Every person should be acting as if they are positive as up to 60% of people will show no symptoms yet still be able to spread the virus.

It is attitudes like this kid is doing is what killed people in Italy and has the risk of doing so here.

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson

It is also attitudes like this

https://twitter.com/DevinNunes/statu...s-trump-clarke March 15, 2020

and this:

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status...22174238846978 March 14, 2020

While I know there has been pleas to ignore politics in this matter, the issue is that how politicians have reacted to this story as it developed matters. Had it been taken more serious from the start, maybe the curve could have been flattened earlier. But we were repeatedly assured from the Federal Government that it was under control, it was going to zero, and there was no reason to be concerned. All the while it spread throughout the country essentially unchecked.

This poll from Pew shows that 56% of Fox news viewer believe that the media has greatly exaggerated the threat (and another 23% believes they have slightly exaggerated it). Making up this ground is going to take time, and the ground needs to be made up because the messaging was fumbled from the start.

[bleedXblue]

Social Distancing is what flattens the curve. One of all of my partners in my practice is from South Korea and most of his extended family still lives there. I can tell you with the reason South Korea was able to stop this from exploding as much as other countries is because they implemented basically marshall law type authoritarian control for social distancing, self quarantine, and isolation regardless if you had had a test or not. Even doing that there is still illness and death abound in that country and the results being reported as positive cases are nowhere close to the actual amount of disease and sickness currently in that country.

The fact that the vast majority of people in this country still are not taking this seriously and are not practicing social distancing is what is going to kill people. Every person should be acting as if they are positive as up to 60% of people will show no symptoms yet still be able to spread the virus.

It is attitudes like this kid is doing is what killed people in Italy and has the risk of doing so here.

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/st...552738826?s=20


Dr. Dena Grayson
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@DrDenaGrayson
��#Florida spring-breakers:

“If I get #corona, I get corona....I’m not going to let it stop me from parting.”#Coronavirus “is really messing up my spring break.”

“This virus ain’t that serious.”

We’re “trying to get drunk before everything closes.”

I disagree..........I think that the vast majority of people are taking this seriously. I think that our youth and the youth of the world think they are largely invincible. Add to that, the virus hasn't impacted enough people in this country in enough areas. It is tough to take this seriously when you don't know a single person that has the virus or has been impacted by it. I think that's about to change very soon......the more we test, the more the numbers are going to grow. The next two weeks are going to be VERY telling and we should know significantly more by the end of March.

[UCGRAD4X]

I disagree..........I think that the vast majority of people are taking this seriously. I think that our youth and the youth of the world think they are largely invincible. Add to that, the virus hasn't impacted enough people in this country in enough areas. It is tough to take this seriously when you don't know a single person that has the virus or has been impacted by it. I think that's about to change very soon......the more we test, the more the numbers are going to grow. The next two weeks are going to be VERY telling and we should know significantly more by the end of March.

The problem with kids these days (I hate how that sounds) is not so much they think THEY are indestructible, as far as this virus is concerned, they likely are to some extent. It is the selfishness that it is "all about them!" It is how their behavior affects everyone else, especially all the old people who live in Florida, and there are quite a few.

I know, kids have always had this invulnerable streak, and short-sighted selfishness, but the degree of self-centerdness seems to be especially glaring in these kinds of responses.

[Muskie in dayton]

The problem with kids these days (I hate how that sounds) is not so much they think THEY are indestructible, as far as this virus is concerned, they likely are to some extent. It is the selfishness that it is "all about them!" It is how their behavior affects everyone else, especially all the old people who live in Florida, and there are quite a few.

I know, kids have always had this invulnerable streak, and short-sighted selfishness, but the degree of self-centerdness seems to be especially glaring in these kinds of responses.

Why should this be different than EVERYTHING else? Sadly our generation raised them and enabled this pathetic behavior.

It seems the only two groups NOT taking this seriously are stupid kids (I do feel old) and partisan Trump supporters who cling to his initial comments. Their arrogance will cause people to die unnecessarily.

[Smails]

Why should this be different than EVERYTHING else? Sadly our generation raised them and enabled this pathetic behavior.

It seems the only two groups NOT taking this seriously are stupid kids (I do feel old) and partisan Trump supporters who cling to his initial comments. Their arrogance will cause people to die unnecessarily.

So these partisan supporters are clinging to his initial comments because they are blind faith followers...right? But these same supporters are now ignoring his changed tune and heightened awareness over the last week? So they went from blind faith supporters to skeptics in the course of a week? That literally makes no sense.

[kmcrawfo]

I am absolutely buried and swamped trying to manage this crisis at my clinics, so this will likely be my last post for a while. I am deeply saddened and disappointed by the continued political banter not only on this website but across the board. Seriously, wake up people. It is sad to see that much of our country truly has lost the strength and unity that we had that enabled us to survive and Conquer World War I, World War II and other disasters of our past.