Politics Thread

[Xville]

I'm talking about to the Trump humpers. You know the same people who were outraged because Obama wore a tan suit.

As someone who has voted 50/50 for Democrats and Republicans since becoming eligible to vote, I am amazed that any educated person would vote for him. Much less support the current state of affairs.

I dont love trump as a human being by any means but have you seen the economy lately, or how do your retirement accounts look currently? Now should all of that be attributed to Trump? Of course not, but I'll be voting for him, because I'm terrified what would happen to the economy if pocahontas or bernie got elected.

What has trump really done to you that's so awful? Is he a pig? Absolutely but his economic policies for the most part are working for the american people.

[Smails]

As someone who has voted 50/50 for Democrats and Republicans since becoming eligible to vote, I am amazed that any educated person would vote for him. Much less support the current state of affairs.

The first part of your sentence is complete horseshit... and as you said earlier "I don't believe you". If you had a moderate bone in your body you would at least be able to acknowledge the positive things happening in this country on some fronts due to his public policy.

The second part of your sentence reflects the narrative that got him elected in the first place and has him trending the same way in 2020.

[GenerationX]

First post and truly can't believe that I am wading into this cesspool - frankly to quote the great Marvin Lewis, "I see better than I hear". And what I see is a focus on America first - taking care of our own. I see the lowest unemployment rate in over 50 years. I see real wages for the middle class and lower classes rising faster than the income for the top tiers. I see also minority unemployment at the lowest level ever for African Americans.

Would I prefer he be more respectful and stop tweeting - he** yeah. Would I prefer he be more dignified in public and when dealing with foreign leaders - again a big he** yeah.

At the end of the day it is a balancing act - you win some, you lose some. People have a choice and a chance in today's economy; there is job mobility that hasn't been available for years. I'll take that.

Didn't vote for him in 2016 - probably voting for him in 2020 and yes, I do consider myself to be somewhat educated...

Now return to your mud-slinging (or poo slinging if that's your style).

Bad Billy Pratt signing off....

Do you have links to support the bold/underlined statement? My understanding is the opposite. (Wages for lower and middle income folks has remained stagnant while the vast majority of income growth goes to the rich.) People tout the economy under trump, but I’m not convinced it’s any better for the vast majority of people.

[Bad Billy Pratt]

Do you have links to support the bold/underlined statement? My understanding is the opposite. (Wages for lower and middle income folks has remained stagnant while the vast majority of income growth goes to the rich.) People tout the economy under trump, but I’m not convinced it’s any better for the vast majority of people.

Posted without comment - https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020...th-inequality/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-eco...s&page=1&pos=2

[xudash]

First post and truly can't believe that I am wading into this cesspool - frankly to quote the great Marvin Lewis, "I see better than I hear". And what I see is a focus on America first - taking care of our own. I see the lowest unemployment rate in over 50 years. I see real wages for the middle class and lower classes rising faster than the income for the top tiers. I see also minority unemployment at the lowest level ever for African Americans.

Would I prefer he be more respectful and stop tweeting - he** yeah. Would I prefer he be more dignified in public and when dealing with foreign leaders - again a big he** yeah.

At the end of the day it is a balancing act - you win some, you lose some. People have a choice and a chance in today's economy; there is job mobility that hasn't been available for years. I'll take that.

Didn't vote for him in 2016 - probably voting for him in 2020 and yes, I do consider myself to be somewhat educated...

Now return to your mud-slinging (or poo slinging if that's your style).

Bad Billy Pratt signing off....

Pretty strong and level-headed way to wade into the fracus here.

I couldn't agree with you more. It's a form versus substance thing, in a sense.

His form can be bothersome and obnoxious. I get that part of it. He should have a "filter" that keeps him from going off in certain cases. He would be perceived to be more presidential if he dialed it back in this area. Now, he gets a certain amount of "pass" in this area because of how abjectly brain-dead the far left media have become. He must constantly fight against them. Obama was an empty suit guided by a teleprompter. Superior form. Community organizer results.

As for the substance side, well, my God. His achievements, which are focused on benefitting AMERICANS are substantial. Everything you noted above. And they can be juxtaposed against the Far Left's desire to pursue socialism and open borders and other nonsensical objectives. Socialism, in particular, has never worked anywhere else at anytime and sure as hell will not work in a diverse country of 340 million.

It may turn out to be truly more strategic than what has developed so far. This guy is a hardcore businessman who is in the process of arresting the 21st Century from the Chinese, while otherwise making our allies rightfully fund more of their defense budgets. With respect to the former, manufacturing and supply chain logistics may come back to the U.S. in waves and trade balances will perhaps level out more evenly. China has never been confronted with a U.S. President like this guy.

There was a meme the other day that had a picture on the left of Pelosi (a truly stupid and loathsome human being) signing the impeachment articles with one of her cute pens and a picture on the right of Trump signing the Phase One deal with China next to it. Kinda sums up where we stand.

The articles of impeachment are worthless. Let's get through that circus so that we can look into the affairs of Biden and his son, the Clintons and Obama.

[X-man]

Your first sentence is the opposite of what I wrote. Get better.

Republicans did not control Congress during Obama’s first term.

1. Explain where you said the runup in stocks over the past year was because of Fed policy, and not Trump.

2. Are you really saying that the Democrats, and not the Republicans, were the reason Obama failed to get the expansionary fiscal policy he was trying to get passed in order to help the economy recover? Were Democrats responsible for the "fiscal cliff"? Were Democrats deficit hawks (aka starve the beast), and Republicans were not? Surely your political memory is better than that.

[xudash]

1. Explain where you said the runup in stocks over the past year was because of Fed policy, and not Trump.

2. Are you really saying that the Democrats, and not the Republicans, were the reason Obama failed to get the expansionary fiscal policy he was trying to get passed in order to help the economy recover? Were Democrats responsible for the "fiscal cliff"? Were Democrats deficit hawks (aka starve the beast), and Republicans were not? Surely your political memory is better than that.

Yes they were. Clinton demanded that the GSE's - Fannie and Freddie - open up their securitization to sub A-Paper to cover his community redlining lending fiasco. Otherwise, don't kid yourself: Wall Street is full of Democrats, too.

[X-man]

Yes they were. Clinton demanded that the GSE's - Fannie and Freddie - open up their securitization to sub A-Paper to cover his community redlining lending fiasco. Otherwise, don't kid yourself: Wall Street is full of Democrats, too.

The fiscal cliff occurred under Obama, and referred to mandated rollback of government spending across the board if a joint House-Senate committee failed to solve a budgetary impasse. Clinton had nothing to do with it.

[Masterofreality]

We should have a poll as to when the Dow hits 30,000.

Before or after Valentines Day?

[Masterofreality]

The fiscal cliff occurred under Obama, and referred to mandated rollback of government spending across the board if a joint House-Senate committee failed to solve a budgetary impasse. Clinton had nothing to do with it.

But Democrat policies did. That's the point.
Way to self own.