Politics Thread

[X-man]

Congratulations. Karl Marx was an economist too.

Still waiting. Economists as a group, at least those of us trained in the US, tend to believe in markets. Marx, whether he is an economist or not (that's highly debatable BTW) is irrelevant. As usual, you avoid answering questions or serious debate with bogus deflections.

[Caf]

No. Unliveable wages are NOT acceptable

Dude, I'm a free market guy.... It's strictly about a disingenuous two-faced bastard

Which one is it?

[xudash]

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...6522&source=48

[Masterofreality]

Which one is it?

Both. One does not depend on the other. Unliveable wages are not acceptable in a free market society- or any society, but he free market society does not DICTATE individual behavior as a communistic or socialistic society would. Disingenous two faced bastards are fully free to exist in a free market society because they can with no limitation, but that doesn't make their behavior any less onerous- especially when they try to deflect from it by finger pointing to someone else.

[Masterofreality]

Still waiting. Economists as a group, at least those of us trained in the US, tend to believe in markets. Marx, whether he is an economist or not (that's highly debatable BTW) is irrelevant. As usual, you avoid answering questions or serious debate with bogus deflections.

Karl Marx
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Born 5 May 1818
Trier, Kingdom of Prussia
Died 14 March 1883 (aged 64)
London, England, UK
Residence Germany, France, Belgium, UK

Karl Marx[7] (German: [ˈkaɐ̯l ˈmaɐ̯ks]; 5 May 1818 – 14 March 1883) was a German philosopher, economist, historian, political theorist, sociologist, journalist and revolutionary socialist.

Bezos is the topic with my statements backed up with facts. You insist on trying to make me the topic. Ain't working sir. Nice deflection on your part.

I'm done here.

[Caf]

Both. One does not depend on the other. Unliveable wages are not acceptable in a free market society- or any society, but he free market society does not DICTATE individual behavior as a communistic or socialistic society would. Disingenous two faced bastards are fully free to exist in a free market society because they can with no limitation, but that doesn't make their behavior any less onerous- especially when they try to deflect from it by finger pointing to someone else.

Gotcha. I'm not sold on Bezos dictating WP writing, but that's something we'll never agree on. I'm also not sold on a rich CEO wanting a higher minimum wage while paying minimum wage as being hypocritical. I'm sure most CEO's of public companies with low wage labor would gladly pay more if they were assured their competitors would as well. A company like Amazon would be fully able to take advantage of a rise in wages for consumers. And just because he gets a tax break doesn't mean he has to bow down does it?

I do find people's view of Amazon to be hypocritical though, or maybe naive is the better word. As I said in the stock market thread, years ago people railed Walmart for low wages. Amazon is now doing the same thing (if they haven't automated away said job) but city dwellers can get paper towels delivered to their door in hours and not have to come face to face with Amazon's working reality so no one cares. A competition in the retail sector between only Amazon and Walmart may be good for the American consumer, but it's disastrous for the American worker.

[X-man]

Karl Marx
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Born 5 May 1818
Trier, Kingdom of Prussia
Died 14 March 1883 (aged 64)
London, England, UK
Residence Germany, France, Belgium, UK

Karl Marx[7] (German: [ˈkaɐ̯l ˈmaɐ̯ks]; 5 May 1818 – 14 March 1883) was a German philosopher, economist, historian, political theorist, sociologist, journalist and revolutionary socialist.

Bezos is the topic with my statements backed up with facts. You insist on trying to make me the topic. Ain't working sir. Nice deflection on your part.

I'm done here.

Still waiting. And please don't use Wikipedia as your source on anything. It is notoriously unreliable, so much so that most faculty I know refuse to allow students to cite it as a source in any of their papers.

[Masterofreality]

Gotcha. I'm not sold on Bezos dictating WP writing, but that's something we'll never agree on. I'm also not sold on a rich CEO wanting a higher minimum wage while paying minimum wage as being hypocritical. I'm sure most CEO's of public companies with low wage labor would gladly pay more if they were assured their competitors would as well. A company like Amazon would be fully able to take advantage of a rise in wages for consumers. And just because he gets a tax break doesn't mean he has to bow down does it?

I do find people's view of Amazon to be hypocritical though, or maybe naive is the better word. As I said in the stock market thread, years ago people railed Walmart for low wages. Amazon is now doing the same thing (if they haven't automated away said job) but city dwellers can get paper towels delivered to their door in hours and not have to come face to face with Amazon's working reality so no one cares. A competition in the retail sector between only Amazon and Walmart may be good for the American consumer, but it's disastrous for the American worker.

Excellent. I agree that I hate what is happening to the Mom & Pop retail sector, and many fixed based stores in the country. We NEVER shop Amazon nor Wal-Mart, but that's just us taking a stand, I guess. We have some common ground. Now back to the offseason. :-)

[GoMuskies]

OK, now that that's settled, I've got a completely separate question. Have any of you been following the "Jordan Peterson Phenomenon"? I've run into mentions of the guy here and there, saw his famous Channel 4 interview back in the day, but I really had not dug in on him at all until the last few days. This dude is a lightning rod if there ever were one. People LOVE him or HATE him, and it's pretty interesting because from what I can tell his views aren't exactly extreme. His self-help book that's currently on the market now seems to be (haven't read it, but from reading about it) mostly non-controversial common sense with some pseudo-science thrown in for good measure. I always find it nice to hear a voice pushing back in a rational, articulate manner on some of the more extreme nonsense of the SJWs of the world, but that doesn't necessarily make him a genius (or his actual theories correct). But man do the harder left hate the guy, and the fact that some of the more troubling right-wing groups find him appealing makes his situation even more interesting.

He seems like the kind of guy Snipe would like, for example, which doesn't make him wrong or extreme, but just that fact causes some people to label him "dangerous".

[X-man]

Excellent. I agree that I hate what is happening to the Mom & Pop retail sector, and many fixed based stores in the country. We NEVER shop Amazon nor Wal-Mart, but that's just us taking a stand, I guess. We have some common ground. Now back to the offseason. :-)

Wow, I agree as well! And not only do we not shop at Amazon or Walmart, we do shop at local book stores and the neighborhood butcher. Gotta do all we can to keep small businesses in business.