Conference carousel to start spinning again?

[xubrew]

If that happens look for the big football schools to form their own version of the NCAA and leave the rest behind.

It's gonna happen sooner or later.

I think the talk now is looking at a third subdivision rather than leaving the NCAA entirely.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Georgetown and Nova people are hoping that the BE will still keep 4 hoops schools - them and say St. Johns say ND. I don't see that happening, especially if Kansas brings its hoops program to the league.

This is going to get very interesting again.

Ya its more of wishful thinking for me...

I'm just hoping for the ripple effect to somehow include X moving up in league competition

If/when Big East adds Kansas and Kansas State, that would make 19 teams:

Cincinnati
Connecticut
Depaul
Georgetown
Louisville
Kansas
Kansas State
Marquette
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Seton Hall
St Johns
Syracuse
TCU
USF
Villanova
West Virginia

They'd probably look at UCF or another team to make it 20 - which is just absurd. They'd have to either A) split up or B) kick out non football teams

[dc_x]

They'd probably look at UCF or another team to make it 20 - which is just absurd. They'd have to either A) split up or B) kick out non football teams

Why?

I don't understand what is wrong with a 20 team league. And why would Syracuse, UConn, Louisville, etc. want to kick out GTown, Nova, Marquette, St Johns and the DC, Philly, Milwaukee, and NY media markets?

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Why?

I don't understand what is wrong with a 20 team league. And why would Syracuse, UConn, Louisville, etc. want to kick out GTown, Nova, Marquette, St Johns and the DC, Philly, Milwaukee, and NY media markets?

That post article someone posted said they will could look to kick out Marquette, Depaul(because it doesn't have much command of Chicago market), and others.

A 20 team league seems almost too big for Bball don't you think? The football side of the Big East is fine but 20 teams for a basketball league would seem to present some major problems with scheduling

[muskiefan82]

That post article someone posted said they will could look to kick out Marquette, Depaul(because it doesn't have much command of Chicago market), and others.

A 20 team league seems almost too big for Bball don't you think? The football side of the Big East is fine but 20 teams for a basketball league would seem to present some major problems with scheduling

Actually 20 is probably easier than 16. You just play 19 games against the BE teams and alternate the home game each year. This still gives a team 11 non-conference games to schedule and since it's the Big East, 10 of those will be home games.

[xudash]

Why?

I don't understand what is wrong with a 20 team league. And why would Syracuse, UConn, Louisville, etc. want to kick out GTown, Nova, Marquette, St Johns and the DC, Philly, Milwaukee, and NY media markets?

Determining whether it is wrong or not will be a function of the dollars available for distribution under each scenario: this is about money. If it makes financial sense to go to 20, they may consider going to 20. That seems doubtful on the surface, given, as an example, the incremental amount of cash a Seton Hall will add to the mix. They won't be able to put enough in the numerator to justify inclusion in the denominator (sharing members).

I also have to imagine there is a strong bias among the football schools to get to an all-sports conference format. The other BCS conferences are all-sports. The only reason the BE remains a hybrid now is because the basketball revenue side of the equation is a solid and needed contributor to the overall mix. IF the football number drives upward to a point where the basketball number becomes an after thought, a split probably follows.

Imagine you are preparing to add the University of Kansas to your league. They have a pretty good hoops program. K-State would come along for the ride as well. Why have 4 tag-a-long hoops schools, once of which would be ND who continues to want its cake, the mixing bowl, the icing, and all the table settings to eat the cake alone.

You end up with:

Pitt
WVA
Syracuse
Rutgers
UConn
Lville
UC
USF
Kansas
K-State

You still have Syracuse, Rutgers and UConn in proximity to Manhattan. The other teams' fans would travel based on the destination. The only fan base you would really be hurting for with respect to a Manhattan-based conference tournament is St. Johns' fan base. As far as that is concerned, the BE name wouldn't remain with this mix of schools anyway, they're free to take their tournament to anywhere that makes sense.

[dc_x]

Determining whether it is wrong or not will be a function of the dollars available for distribution under each scenario: this is about money. If it makes financial sense to go to 20, they may consider going to 20.

Absolutely agree.

Today the football money is shared only by the football playing schools. The basketball pie is separate. So really the question is whether the basketball-only schools carry their own weight in adding to that pie. Obviously, we don't know the answer to that, but my guess is that they would.

I just don't think they would be better off financially by dropping Notre Dame, Gtown, Nova, Marquette and St Johns. Notre Dame is Notre Dame. GTown and Nova give you DC and Philly. Milwaukee is a smaller market, but isn't bad. You could argue that Rutgers covers NYC, but St. Johns adds to that presence.

I'm sure they would be fine dropping Seton Hall, Providence, and Depaul, but I don't think they would ever selectively kick out 3 members. It would need to be the 12 or 14 or whatver number of football schools voting to leave.

[_LH]

So the chain of events would be something like this:

Texas AM and Missouri to SEC

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and probably 1 other team to Pac 12

Kansas and Kansas State to Big East

I would hope Kansas and KSU would look to remain with Texas, Baylor, Iowa St. and simply add in Colorado St., Wyoming, New Mexico, Air Force, UNLV, Boise St. and maybe Tulane and keep the Big XII alive.

I would hate to see Kansas go to the BE. TCU if they had not already made the commitment to the BE would have been a great 12th team instead of Tulane. I think their move was premature.

[_LH]

I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I'm certain it won't be this.

No, you can't be certain of that at all but thanks for replying. My scenario makes far more sense than Kansas to the BE.

Its basically the same thing the BE did when the ACC raided the BE.

[_LH]

Texas in a conferene with Tulane? Nice try.

Tulane is the only stretch but the others aren't. WVU is in a conference with S. Florida. What other conference would Texas go to? There would still be 5 members from the Big XII and they could add 5 more, just like the BE did when the ACC raided them to stay alive. Again, it makes more sense than Kansas to the BE.