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[Grylls]

I want to quickly address Butler. I get including them based on their recent success, but what happens if Brad S leaves for a bigger program? Is Butler's program able to withstand coaching changes? Are they committed to doing what it takes to bring in top talent coaches? Basically is their success based on the program or a specific coach? Not sure if anyone has brought this up.

To be fair, Butler had a lot of success before Stevens became head coach.

[LA Muskie]

Is Butler's program able to withstand coaching changes?

Absolutely. They didn't take them to a Final Four (much less two) but Stevens is just the last in a line of at least 4 excellent coaches to lead that program. The program itself is not a problem. The facilities and investment are, but they will be overlooked. They *will* be in the new conference. And so will we.

[Masterofreality]

Here's Butler's history. Not good before 1997. but 2 Sweet 16's and 2 Final Fours since 2003. Cant't say tha they have has exceptional success over a long period, however.

Butler Season By Season Results
SEASON W-L RESULTS
2011 5-1 Defeated Old Dominion in first round, 60-58
Defeated Pittsburgh in second round, 71-70
Defeated Wisconsin in regional semifinal, 61-54
Defeated Florida in regional final, 74-71
Defeated Virginia Commonwealth in National Semifinal, 70-62
Lost to Connecticut in National Championship, 53-41
2010 5-1 Defeated UTEP in first round, 77-59
Defeated Murray State in second round, 54-52
Defeated Syracuse in regional semifinal, 63-59
Defeated Kansas State in regional final, 63-56
Defeated Michigan State in National Semifinal, 52-50
Lost to Duke in National Championship, 61-59
2009 0-1 Lost to LSU in first round, 75-71
2008 1-1 Defeated South Alabama in first round, 81-61
Lost to Tennessee in second round, 76-71
2007 2-1 Defeated Old Dominion in first round, 57-46
Defeated Maryland in second round, 62-59
Lost to Florida in regional semifinal, 65-57
2003 2-1 Defeated Mississippi State in first round, 47-46
Defeated Louisville in second round, 79-71
Lost to Oklahoma in regional semifinal, 65-54
2001 1-1 Defeated Wake Forest in first round, 79-63
Lost to Arizona in second round, 73-52
2000 0-1 Lost to Florida in first round, 69-68
1998 0-1 Lost to New Mexico in first round, 79-62
1997 0-1 Lost to Cincinnati in first round, 86-69
1962 2-1 Defeated Bowling Green in second round, 56-55
Lost to Kentucky in regional semifinal, 81-60
Defeated Western Kentucky in third place game, 87-86

[GoMuskies]

Xavier, of course, has only one Sweet 16 prior to 2004. If we want to give Butler's success proper context.

[Masterofreality]

Xavier, of course, has only one Sweet 16 prior to 2004. If we want to give Butler's success proper context.

But we also have over 20 NCAA appearances and have been consistently good for over 30 years.

[Title_BU]

Butler is 455-185 over the last 20 seasons. If BU finishes with 5 more wins, in 12/13, the 20-year average is exactly 23 wins per year.

And, will likely catch Xavier this March in number of Tournament games since 2000. (Not to mention a 5th Sweet 16 since 03 looks attainable)

Also, the 30mm dollar renovation happening or the fact the coach makes significantly more than Chris Mack (investment)

#soyeah

[ammtd34]

Butler is 455-185 over the last 20 seasons. If BU finishes with 5 more wins, in 12/13, the 20-year average is exactly 23 wins per year.

And, will likely catch Xavier this March in number of Tournament games since 2000. (Not to mention a 5th Sweet 16 since 03 looks attainable)

Also, the 30mm dollar renovation happening or the fact the coach makes significantly more than Chris Mack (investment)

#soyeah

This post should be relatively simple, but I found it nearly impossible to read.

[Masterofreality]

Butler is 455-185 over the last 20 seasons. If BU finishes with 5 more wins, in 12/13, the 20-year average is exactly 23 wins per year.

And, will likely catch Xavier this March in number of Tournament games since 2000. (Not to mention a 5th Sweet 16 since 03 looks attainable)

Also, the 30mm dollar renovation happening or the fact the coach makes significantly more than Chris Mack (investment)

#soyeah

Dude, Xavier has 23 appearances, you have 11 with a probable 12 this year. Between 1962 and 1997 you didn't make a dance. You had your two run years and congrats, but you also missed the Tourney last year. Don't be so high on your horse.

Look. I'm glad Butler will be in the league with us, but stop with the hubris. No way have you played in as competitive a league as the A-10 until this year.

#soyeah

[Title_BU]

Hubris?

Its just the reality of things. Xavier is in no better position that Butler for the future. Its simple.

[LA Muskie]

Why exactly did this become an XU v Butler thread? We both have different but very good resumes and are the 2 automatics to be included in the next conference. Why can't we collectively celebrate that while we (mostly the XU we) enjoy watching both Dayton and UC dangling in the wind?