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    Quote Originally Posted by XUGRAD80 View Post
    If this actually does happen, I could see the PAC and the the Big 12 merging sometime in the future, with Gonzaga joining in everything but football. I could also see a scenario where the ACC is split up between the Big 10 and the SEC.leaving us with 3 Mega conferences.
    I don't know why Gonzaga would have any interest in joining a league that's entire decision making process will be made with the only sport in mind that Gonzaga doesn't have. Doesnt make any sense. It isn't like Gonzaga is hurting basketball wise being in the conference they are in. They don't need the Pac 12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    well.....maybe Kansas leaving the B12 will be the thing that actually STARTS the collapse of the Big 12. And the money for Kansas under the former B12 was largely based on the giant football revenue associated with UT and Oklahoma being involved. That money will be reduced considerably under the new B12 arrangement. So, what would they really be walking away from?

    If they want to focus on BBall then the Big East is their best option. They bring ALOT of cache which would translate DIRECTLY to more TV Dollars for the BE TV deal. I would bet that the BE would actually be willing to pay the exit fee to the B12 on behalf of Kansas to get them to join. this would be a HUUUUUGE uptick for the BE, and if it happens, I would expect the Zags to follow
    I agree it would be great for the BE, but even with losing OU and UT they will make a significant amount more in the Big 12 than the BE/Independent in football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xudash View Post
    This.

    Kansas AD department revenue approximates $70 million. That includes a media distribution amount that is about to get cut into roughly half (projected); or cut to about $20 million. I haven't had the time to look up where they are on the "food chain" with respect to department "profitability", but I imagine they are one of the programs that actually are underwater when things are all said and done - I imagine their athletic department is propped up by student fees like so many others.

    I'm not saying or suggesting that Kansas should drop football. That obviously isn't happening. But what if the BE media agreement went north of $10 million per school, and what if Kansas could find a way to self-generate $10 million in media related revenue streams for football directly.

    If the money becomes sort of, kind of neutral, which is the best place to be in for your basketball heritage, while making sure that football doesn't drag you to the bottom of the sea.
    Anyone who trusts the profitability figures put out by college athletics departments is not wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xudash View Post
    Oregon has left the Pac-12 for the LIV Tour
    Ha, that's pretty good.
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    This is great for football fans - probably not so great for the players. Half of your games 3 times zones away can wear on you.

    Is this for all sports? Because that's even more of a grind.

    I'd love to see Gonzaga in the Big East, but damn, that would be a grind for that program.

    I'm typing this sentence so I can say grind for a 3rd time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z View Post
    Anyone who trusts the profitability figures put out by college athletics departments is not wise.
    Couldn’t agree more. The number to focus in on, at least for me, is the amount of funding that comes from the university (i.e. student fees, etc.).
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    When it comes to money, this is ALL about the top line. REVENUE. And of that REVENUE, its really about TV dollars. All other revenue sources just dont matter. do you think it's ticket sales or merchandise? Thats like Honda being worried about the number of lawn mowers they sold.

    TV. Thats it. If a school is considering a move, they will assess the TV revenue POTENTIAL. They will compare it to the TV Revenue POTENTIAL of not making a move. They will try to forecast or anticipate any other dominoes that may fall....but in the end they have no idea where lighting will strike next.

    The BIG earthquake comes after the little quakes. But you never know when the little quakes are over.

    we could see a bunch of moves VERY quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    When it comes to money, this is ALL about the top line. REVENUE. And of that REVENUE, its really about TV dollars. All other revenue sources just dont matter. do you think it's ticket sales or merchandise? Thats like Honda being worried about the number of lawn mowers they sold.

    TV. Thats it. If a school is considering a move, they will assess the TV revenue POTENTIAL. They will compare it to the TV Revenue POTENTIAL of not making a move. They will try to forecast or anticipate any other dominoes that may fall....but in the end they have no idea where lighting will strike next.

    The BIG earthquake comes after the little quakes. But you never know when the little quakes are over.

    we could see a bunch of moves VERY quickly.
    Yep.

    A little more precisely: they assess their existing television potential against the television potential or soon to be reality of the leaders (the SEC and the B1G). If that gap is perceived to be a serious problem, and it obviously is a serious problem in this case for them, then they act if they are provided the opportunity to do so.

    On an unrelated note, I find it truly impressive that this was able to be kept under the covers in the manner it was.
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    Rumors now starting of ND joining Big10.
    ...he went up late, and I was already up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    When it comes to money, this is ALL about the top line. REVENUE. And of that REVENUE, its really about TV dollars. All other revenue sources just dont matter. do you think it's ticket sales or merchandise? Thats like Honda being worried about the number of lawn mowers they sold.

    TV. Thats it. If a school is considering a move, they will assess the TV revenue POTENTIAL. They will compare it to the TV Revenue POTENTIAL of not making a move. They will try to forecast or anticipate any other dominoes that may fall....but in the end they have no idea where lighting will strike next.

    The BIG earthquake comes after the little quakes. But you never know when the little quakes are over.

    we could see a bunch of moves VERY quickly.
    Ticket sales and merchandise DO matter at some schools. Places like Mich OSU ALA ND LSU Clemson probably take in $8 to $10 mil every home football game. But you're correct at UK Kansas IU and Duke football is nothing but a huge drain on the budget.

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