Covid-19

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Originally Posted by xuwillie

I think xville and bobbie are the same person..Really add zero value to the discussion. Booze, but wasn't that on msnbc? I think its a legitimate concern, are we supposed to not travel now until everyone is vaccinated? Why is this fall on political lines,, just seems crazy to me

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Are we not traveling now? I assume we would continue to seek to limit travel until we can get enough people vaccinated that we can stop the spread.

I don't watch MSNBC (or any TV news, for that matter) so I don't really know what you are talking about there.

Regarding Xville, if you have been pay any attention to his posts he seems to lean more right than left to me. You just seem to disagree with him on this one issue so in your mind it must make him a flaming Liberal. Because he is pro-vaccine. America in 2020 Ladies and Gentlemen!

You actually didn't but whatever. And his exact words where NO one should travel until everyone has the vaccine. I would think someone with any intelligence would say lets give it a month and see how the vaccine is working. This was on a national media station, who cares if a fringe site copied and posted it?! I would think everyone would consider this crazy talk but political lines have been drawn again...

No, unlike you (booze) and paulxu he brings absolutely nothing to the table. Like bobbie as well

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Originally Posted by xuwillie

You actually didn't but whatever. And his exact words where NO one should travel until everyone has the vaccine. I would think someone with any intelligence would say lets give it a month and see how the vaccine is working. This was on a national media station, who cares if a fringe site copied and posted it?! I would think everyone would consider this crazy talk but political lines have been drawn again...

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I agree that saying no one should travel until everyone has the vaccine would be a bit nuts, I think that is as crazy as the Ted Cruz twitter quote within the fringe site.

What I am saying since you choose to be so obtuse i will repeat again, is that it makes sense to a certain degree what the doctor said because we don't know what it does from a transmission standpoint yet. Hopefully, as stated earlier, in 2-4 weeks we will know.

I know it's correlation rather than proven causation, but it seems like a lot of people who have maskless parties/gatherings in the government end up with Covid.

Also,

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

She's a neuropsychologist who works full time.

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Any chance we could get her to moonlight here on Xavierhoops? I think we could use some of her expertise.

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Originally Posted by xuwillie

No, unlike you (booze) and paulxu he brings absolutely nothing to the table. Like bobbie as well

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Well, I don't know what you are talking about as far as this thread is concerned. I have just posted facts on the benefits of wearing a mask which seem to be the norm now for most here although there are still those who disagree. I agree with Dr. Crawford that I will get the vaccine as soon as available and would get it today if offered.... (heresy?) I get my info from the CDC and the Johns Hopkins site. I'm in the vulnerable population so I'm just trying to protect myself and my family. Do whatever you think is right for your family, knock off the bs, and best of luck.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I know it's correlation rather than proven causation, but it seems like a lot of people who have maskless parties/gatherings in the government end up with Covid.

Also,



Any chance we could get her to moonlight here on Xavierhoops? I think we could use some of her expertise.

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No, I can't let her see this site. She would be appalled at the number of posts I have. :laugh:

(she calls it my xavier blog and tells me I spend too much time on it)

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

No, I can't let her see this site. She would be appalled at the number of posts I have. :laugh:

(she calls it my xavier blog and tells me I spend too much time on it)

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HA! My wife calls you people (and the folks on the Bills board) my “imaginary internet friends”.

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Originally Posted by xu82

HA! My wife calls you people (and the folks on the Bills board) my “imaginary internet friends”.

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Only some of us are imaginary, the rest do not exist.

Here you go willie and lou...from an actual reputable source. Bringing value and teaching you both one day at a time.

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.o...myths-debunked

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Originally Posted by Xville

Here you go willie and lou...from an actual reputable source. Bringing value and teaching you both one day at a time.

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.o...myths-debunked

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Don’t be silly, Willie and Lou know FAR more than the Mayo Clinic! Lou is an expert at posting links to “real science”, not the quacks at the Mayo Clinic. :-)


My wife’s doctor once told her that if you want to do any internet research regarding medical issues, the Mayo Clinic sites offer the most reliable info you can get on the internet. She even traveled across the state to have surgery at a Mayo facility to get the best care possible.

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Originally Posted by 94GRAD

Only some of us are imaginary, the rest do not exist.

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How am I supposed to know the difference? I’m so confused! I’m going to miss some of you (but certainly not ALL of you!).

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Originally Posted by 94GRAD

Only some of us are imaginary, the rest do not exist.

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You exist and will forever in Xavier lore!

Speaking of legends. Where are Titan and DC?

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You exist and will forever in Xavier lore!

Speaking of legends. Where are Titan and DC?

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Damn, I forgot about those two guys. Both were once very prolific posters, who seem to have gone completely cold turkey.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

My favorite part about all these zealots are the crazy 'news' sources they link to as 'proof'. It's even better when it's not a news source at all, but a twitter feed or some other opinion piece.

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Yes, twitter provides nothing of value. This compilation of data demonstrating COVID-19 is following a seasonality pattern long established in the field of epidemiology by Hope-Simpson is lending no value to understanding the natural spread of the disease. Why would we want to know that?

3,000 died today. You can cherry pick regions if it makes you happy:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

No, I can't let her see this site. She would be appalled at the number of posts I have. :laugh:

(she calls it my xavier blog and tells me I spend too much time on it)

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She's not wrong.

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Originally Posted by xu82

HA! My wife calls you people (and the folks on the Bills board) my “imaginary internet enemies”.

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Fixed that for you.

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Originally Posted by X-band '01

She's not wrong.



Fixed that for you.

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The FRIENDS are the imaginary ones. The rest of you are just.............the rest of you!

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

3,000 died today. You can cherry pick regions if it makes you happy:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

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No they didn’t. 3,000 deaths were REPORTED yesterday. The deaths occurred days, weeks or even months ago. And those deaths were counted based on the CDC criteria revised in April 2020. But you knew that already from watching CNN.

Did you even open much less scan what I posted? It has nothing to do with “cherry-picking”. It shows trends in reported cases by US region, demonstrating the seasonality of the virus. This understanding could be great information about policy mankind decisions, based on the timing of the natural spread. Better understanding of such things (and this is not a new principle) would lead to an optimal balance of minimizing spread and collateral damage.

But why would we want to do that?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Yes, twitter provides nothing of value. This compilation of data demonstrating COVID-19 is following a seasonality pattern long established in the field of epidemiology by Hope-Simpson is lending no value to understanding the natural spread of the disease. Why would we want to know that?

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Are you actually serious?

Because none of that shit is fact checked or peer reviewed. It doesn't make it wrong, but it does make it questionable. Also - they almost always have a clear agenda. Looking through the history of the feed you linked to, it's pretty obvious what their agenda is. The account was created in May of 2020, right after COVID hit. All posts are about COVID, and all posts are related to the same theme. Every single post is cherry picked data about how COVID deaths are over-counted or masks and social distancing don't work. Many of the posts contain charts that were clearly created in Excel and are un-sourced. He's retweeting things like 'the freedom foundation' and 'el gato malo'

If it confirms your bias it seems great to you, and you post ad nauseum links to it and encourage people to 'open their eyes', but you are applying a completely different standard of proof to information that confirms your bias than you are information that conflicts with it. On one side, we have nearly every Doctor and peer-reviewed Medical publication. On the other side we have PLC's twitter feed.

In general science should strive to be based on objective analysis of data. I don't see how you could make a claim that the twitter feed above is objective. But yeah, let's continue to get our news from places where all we know about them is three initials and a picture of a bird. Open your eyes, Sheeple!

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

No they didn’t. 3,000 deaths were REPORTED yesterday.

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Yesterday was record for cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Troll on.

"We would not at all be surprised to see, coincidentally, vaccination happening and then having someone pass away a short time after they receive a vaccine, not because it has anything to do with the vaccination but just because that's the place where people at the end of their lives reside," Moore said (Dr. Kelly Moore, associate director of the Immunization Action Coalition).

So, I'm really confused by this statement. If an elderly person dies just days after receiving a vaccine, we shouldn't assume that it's a result of the vaccine? That's really strange, because if an elderly person dies WITH Covid, it's automatically assumed, and counted, as a death FROM Covid.

Why the double standard?? I mean, we know the vast majority of people dying from Covid are elderly - roughly 60% of all Covid deaths are above age 75. And we know that 94% of all Covid deaths have at least one comorbidity.

So why the double standard? Does anyone find this just a little curious?


I hope this is an officially approved source for all you libs: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wh...ma/ar-BB1bDcpG

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Are you actually serious?

Because none of that shit is fact checked or peer reviewed. It doesn't make it wrong, but it does make it questionable. Also - they almost always have a clear agenda. Looking through the history of the feed you linked to, it's pretty obvious what their agenda is. The account was created in May of 2020, right after COVID hit. All posts are about COVID, and all posts are related to the same theme. Every single post is cherry picked data about how COVID deaths are over-counted or masks and social distancing don't work. Many of the posts contain charts that were clearly created in Excel and are un-sourced. He's retweeting things like 'the freedom foundation' and 'el gato malo'

If it confirms your bias it seems great to you, and you post ad nauseum links to it and encourage people to 'open their eyes', but you are applying a completely different standard of proof to information that confirms your bias than you are information that conflicts with it. On one side, we have nearly every Doctor and peer-reviewed Medical publication. On the other side we have PLC's twitter feed.

In general science should strive to be based on objective analysis of data. I don't see how you could make a claim that the twitter feed above is objective. But yeah, let's continue to get our news from places where all we know about them is three initials and a picture of a bird. Open your eyes, Sheeple!

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Wait, are YOU serious? Peer reviewed? This isn't a scientific research study, it's a data compilation. If you don't trust the author, go look at Covid tracking project or Worldometer. You can peer review it yourself in 2 minutes! WTF.

These are DATA. There is no bias in the numbers - they are what they are. If this is your idea of bias, there is no hope. If you think it's cherry picking, show me data counter to the conclusion of seasonality being the dominant mechanism for spread. You can't, because there aren't any.

If you can't look at numbers and draw conclusions, but need media stories to tell you how to think, you are the sheep. Boozehound, open your mind.

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

Yesterday was record for cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Troll on.

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REPORTED.

Is pointing out a fact "trolling"?

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

Wait, are YOU serious? Peer reviewed? This isn't a scientific research study, it's a data compilation. If you don't trust the author, go look at Covid tracking project or Worldometer. You can peer review it yourself in 2 minutes! WTF.

These are DATA. There is no bias in the numbers - they are what they are. If this is your idea of bias, there is no hope. If you think it's cherry picking, show me data counter to the conclusion of seasonality being the dominant mechanism for spread. You can't, because there aren't any.



If you can't look at numbers and draw conclusions, but need media stories to tell you how to think, you are the sheep. Boozehound, open your mind.

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Yes believe the twitter feed lol I'll create a chart with excel and post it to twitter...since it's on twitter we know it's true

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

REPORTED.

Is pointing out a fact "trolling"?

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Unless your assertion is they are reporting the same people multiple times, your weird point on reported vs the actual day doesnt matter or make sense. Every day the numbers are super high, so it doesnt matter if its for that actual day or the day before. It isn't like one day is super low because they saved up all the reported deaths hospitalizations, etc to only report on one day to make that one day look really bad.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Unless your assertion is they are reporting the same people multiple times,....

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I did hear someone on the radio say he tested positive for COVID. He went back a number of days later for a follow up test and again tested positive. He asked how that would be reported since he’s the same guy with probably the same infection. He was told each positive test is reported as a new case, even if it’s the same person.


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Originally Posted by bjf123

I did hear someone on the radio say he tested positive for COVID. He went back a number of days later for a follow up test and again tested positive. He asked how that would be reported since he’s the same guy with probably the same infection. He was told each positive test is reported as a new case, even if it’s the same person.


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I was more referring to hospitalizations and deaths.

I doubt that is the standard but maybe, I havent heard enought about that. I do know the vast majority of people who test positive however arent going back for testing again because it isn't required to return back to work etc.

I work in the skilled nursing home industry. Employees are tested twice a week. If you test positive you are off and on isolation for the CDC recommended time. When you return you do not do the regular testing for 12 weeks.

So my guess, even if that happened for that guy, it doesnt happen often because people do not need follow up testing to get off of isolation and return to life.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Yes believe the twitter feed lol I'll create a chart with excel and post it to twitter...since it's on twitter we know it's true

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Bingo. Anybody can post anything on twitter. The problem is when people believe that because an anonymous source posts numbers on twitter that they become DATA. I would bet anything that those same people don't apply the same standard of proof to shit that gets posted on twitter that doesn't fit their agenda.

I'm not even saying that the stuff he linked to is wrong, just that twitter post doesn't necessarily equal fact.

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

"We would not at all be surprised to see, coincidentally, vaccination happening and then having someone pass away a short time after they receive a vaccine, not because it has anything to do with the vaccination but just because that's the place where people at the end of their lives reside," Moore said (Dr. Kelly Moore, associate director of the Immunization Action Coalition).

So, I'm really confused by this statement. If an elderly person dies just days after receiving a vaccine, we shouldn't assume that it's a result of the vaccine? That's really strange, because if an elderly person dies WITH Covid, it's automatically assumed, and counted, as a death FROM Covid.

Why the double standard?? I mean, we know the vast majority of people dying from Covid are elderly - roughly 60% of all Covid deaths are above age 75. And we know that 94% of all Covid deaths have at least one comorbidity.

So why the double standard? Does anyone find this just a little curious?


I hope this is an officially approved source for all you libs: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wh...ma/ar-BB1bDcpG

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D-West has a problem with this - I guess he's too much of a chicken to explain why...

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Originally Posted by Xville

Yes believe the twitter feed lol I'll create a chart with excel and post it to twitter...since it's on twitter we know it's true

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Really, are you serious?

Name me one employee in the mainstream media that would ever publish anything that goes against Democrat orthodoxy?

I mean, even a pretend moderate would have to admit that ain't ever gonna happen!

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Really, are you serious?

Name me one employee in the mainstream media that would ever publish anything that goes against Democrat orthodoxy?

I mean, even a pretend moderate would have to admit that ain't ever gonna happen!

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This will be fun...what in your mind is democrat orthodoxy when it comes to covid and why do you continue to make it a political issue?

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Originally Posted by Xville

This will be fun...what in your mind is democrat orthodoxy when it comes to covid and why do you continue to make it a political issue?

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How about everything.

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

How about everything.

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so you don't have an answer, and since you don't, then i can't give you an answer to your question.

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Originally Posted by Xville

so you don't have an answer, and since you don't, then i can't give you an answer to your question.

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circular logic? I'm pretty open to anything - so I don't want to narrow the scope of this exercise....

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

D-West has a problem with this - I guess he's too much of a chicken to explain why...

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Wasn't that post specifically, just the one I picked of what could have been any!

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Wasn't that post specifically, just the one I picked of what could have been any!

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Translation: I can't refute your assertion...

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

circular logic? I'm pretty open to anything - so I don't want to narrow the scope of this exercise....

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It's not that hard of a question. what in your mind is democrat orthodoxy when it comes to covid and why do you continue to make it a political issue?

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Originally Posted by Xville

It's not that hard of a question. what in your mind is democrat orthodoxy when it comes to covid and why do you continue to make it a political issue?

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Really, "Mr. Moderate", you have to ask why? Wouldn't a "moderate" know both sides of the issue? I guess if you consume news from only one source you're not aware that there's another perspective. Pretty sad coming from a so-called "moderate".

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Really, "Mr. Moderate", you have to ask why? Wouldn't a "moderate" know both sides of the issue? I guess if you consume news from only one source you're not aware that there's another perspective. Pretty sad coming from a so-called "moderate".

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

Really, "Mr. Moderate", you have to ask why? Wouldn't a "moderate" know both sides of the issue? I guess if you consume news from only one source you're not aware that there's another perspective. Pretty sad coming from a so-called "moderate".

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You fail to answer a simple question...I'll ask one last time and see if you can comprehend long enough for you to write a response to the question. What in your mind is democrat orthodoxy when it comes to covid and why do you continue to make it a political issue? Not that hard of a question to answer. I'm well aware of the opinions of covid, I just wanted to read your ridiculous thought pattern for funsies


You are so blind by your rhetoric that you think I'm liberal which is laughable. If you spend some time reading my posts on other issues, you'll realize I'm right of center. Or you know, listen to the other posters who have told you the same and have interacted with me much longer than you.